I'm afraid we're in trouble.

saintfan · 09-04-2013, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

I prefer realistic and keep in mind that I have, in the past, been optimistic heading into seasons. I was VERY optimistic in 2009 becasuse we looked so dominant in the preseason. Anyway, I usually start out a season with a post like this to make sure I have all the right people on my ignore list before the games start.

Just you put on your shades young lady - the future is bright and the sun rises on Sunday. Don't make me have to get all "choupique" up in here before we even play our first game.

Nobody likes me when I'm angry...

TheOak · 09-04-2013, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Just you put on your shades young lady - the future is bright and the sun rises on Sunday. Don't make me have to get all "choupique" up in here before we even play our first game.

Nobody likes me when I'm angry...

Simmer down Betty

saintfan · 09-04-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Simmer down Betty

hahahahahahahahaaa...

At first I didn't get it. Now I get it. You suck. LMAO

SaintsBro · 09-04-2013, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

None of the guys have to make every play. Just the ones in "their moment":
that 3rd-and-7 stop for just 4 yards; something more than "almost" a sack.
Doesn't matter to me how it happens (if it happens);
Inspiration, configuration, or determination, I just want to see it.
That would take a lot of pressure off of the offense to have to score 30 every week.
So far, in the pre-season, I haven't seen it.

I get that. I get exactly what you're feeling. But here's the thing: last year, in the early part of the preseason, under Spagnowedon't, we DID that kind of stuff on defense. We had an interception or two. We had a sack in the end zone, or a safety, we even solved Arizona's QB controversy for them, by knocking out one of their QB's! We sacked Tom Brady for a fumble. The Patriots never even made it across the 50 with their starters. If there was such a thing as a to-do checklist -- Safety, sack, interception, fumble, strip, etc. etc. -- last year's defense did a little bit of EVERYTHING you could ask a defense to do, early in the preseason games.

I thought at the time, hey, this looks pretty good, we might actually be able to beat these suspensions and the missing coaches, the defense could actually be OK. Turns out I was WRONG. I was basing it too much on "big plays" by the defense.

So you can't judge it completely like that. The "3rd and 7 stop for just four yards" -- they definitely had a couple of those against the Texans... I'm too lazy to go back and look it up but they made some stops and held the Texans to some looong field goals out there, instead of what would have probably been easy waltz-in 7-point touchdown drives last year, where they score and the camera cuts to that "oh %$^%$" grimace from Brees on the sidelines.

Thing about the Texans game is, that was a top 10 last year, top 5 this year offense that the Saints were playing against. That was exactly what a preseason game between two playoff teams is supposed to look like. It was a slugfest! It was brutal! And we were actually WINNING the battles and the scoreboard when the starters all came out.

AsylumGuido · 09-04-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

Thank you I could not agree with you more and that's all I have been trying to say for a couple of days now.
I was beginning to think I had to make a eye exam cause I was watching a different games then everyone else was or if I had glaucoma lol

No, you were watching the same "games", if you can call preseason games "games". The final 53 probably played fewer than 10% of the snaps as any one unit and at no time did they operate under the offensive or defensive schemes that will be utilized during the regular season. As fans, there is absolutely nothing valid we can elicit from what we saw either on TV or streaming via computer.

Any evaluation we can attempt will be tainted by what we experienced last season and THAT is about as invalid as one can get. I have every reason to be optimistic about this season because it is about as diametrically opposed to what was experienced last season as one can get.

TheOak · 09-04-2013, 03:21 PM

Falcons..... We were all over the map when looking at both games, couldn't pull together stopping both in the same game.

Atlanta
Game 1 Rushing 46 / Passing 408
Game 2 Rushing 124 / Passing 159

saintsfan403 · 09-04-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Wow, its not often that I disagree with every word of a postthis long.

LB's aren't the foundation of a 3-4, the D-line is. And this is the best D-line we've had since LeRoi Glover was here.

Our LB's are better than any group we've had since the dome patrol. Do you really miss Scott Shanle?

Bringing back Meachem doesn't prove our WR's are weak at all. How in the world do you make that jump?

Did you forget about adding Ben Watson to team with Graham? We set NFL records with a nearly dead Devery Henderson as our #2 wideout. Good grief thats unbelieveable.

And a total overhaul next year? That is just totally ridiculous.

This might be the worst post I've seen here in years.

The only thing I agree with about this thread is Danno

blackangold · 09-04-2013, 05:18 PM

#8 in total Defense
#2 in Run Defense

yes, it was just the preseason but the 1s still play the 1s and the 2s still play the 2s...

We wont be that good on D this year, but I would expect to be ranked 10-20.

The Dude · 09-04-2013, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

I’m sorry, but I just don’t see any reason for all the bluster and optimism. Linebackers are the foundation for the 3-4 defense and our linebacker corps are in complete disarray. It’s unlikely that the defense will be much better than last year.

Our offense relies heavily on the passing game and you can say the same thing about our receiver corps. Bringing back Meachum really just proves how bad we are at that position. Have we even named a 1 and 2 yet? Don’t even get me started about our running game.

Other than predicting that we won’t beat the failcons, I’m not going to sit here and predict game by game like I’ve seen people do, but I don’t see us being any better than 8-8 and then requiring a total overhaul from the top down in the next offseason.

I sure hope my Saints prove me wrong so everyone can bump this post when we go into December 11-0, but I'm not counting on it.

I totally agree with the defensive problems. Given our schedule I dont see our record being that much better or any better than last year, even with Payton back.
I do think we will be better offensively than we ever have been barring injury. Brees is in his prime and the addition of Watson I believe has been very under rated. Even with a crappy running game we will put up serious points. Hell it wouldnt surprise me if our D is even worse.

TheOak · 09-04-2013, 05:34 PM

A love connection ^

09-04-2013, 02:58 PM	#61
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by poydras I prefer realistic and keep in mind that I have, in the past, been optimistic heading into seasons. I was VERY optimistic in 2009 becasuse we looked so dominant in the preseason. Anyway, I usually start out a season with a post like this to make sure I have all the right people on my ignore list before the games start. Just you put on your shades young lady - the future is bright and the sun rises on Sunday. Don't make me have to get all "choupique" up in here before we even play our first game. Nobody likes me when I'm angry... TheOak likes this.

09-04-2013, 03:13 PM	#62
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by saintfan Just you put on your shades young lady - the future is bright and the sun rises on Sunday. Don't make me have to get all "choupique" up in here before we even play our first game. Nobody likes me when I'm angry... Simmer down Betty

09-04-2013, 03:14 PM	#63
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by TheOak Simmer down Betty hahahahahahahahaaa... At first I didn't get it. Now I get it. You suck. LMAO TheOak likes this.

09-04-2013, 03:15 PM	#64
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by darstep None of the guys have to make every play. Just the ones in "their moment": that 3rd-and-7 stop for just 4 yards; something more than "almost" a sack. Doesn't matter to me how it happens (if it happens); Inspiration, configuration, or determination, I just want to see it. That would take a lot of pressure off of the offense to have to score 30 every week. So far, in the pre-season, I haven't seen it. I get that. I get exactly what you're feeling. But here's the thing: last year, in the early part of the preseason, under Spagnowedon't, we DID that kind of stuff on defense. We had an interception or two. We had a sack in the end zone, or a safety, we even solved Arizona's QB controversy for them, by knocking out one of their QB's! We sacked Tom Brady for a fumble. The Patriots never even made it across the 50 with their starters. If there was such a thing as a to-do checklist -- Safety, sack, interception, fumble, strip, etc. etc. -- last year's defense did a little bit of EVERYTHING you could ask a defense to do, early in the preseason games. I thought at the time, hey, this looks pretty good, we might actually be able to beat these suspensions and the missing coaches, the defense could actually be OK. Turns out I was WRONG. I was basing it too much on "big plays" by the defense. So you can't judge it completely like that. The "3rd and 7 stop for just four yards" -- they definitely had a couple of those against the Texans... I'm too lazy to go back and look it up but they made some stops and held the Texans to some looong field goals out there, instead of what would have probably been easy waltz-in 7-point touchdown drives last year, where they score and the camera cuts to that "oh %$^%$" grimace from Brees on the sidelines. Thing about the Texans game is, that was a top 10 last year, top 5 this year offense that the Saints were playing against. That was exactly what a preseason game between two playoff teams is supposed to look like. It was a slugfest! It was brutal! And we were actually WINNING the battles and the scoreboard when the starters all came out.

09-04-2013, 03:18 PM	#65
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,207	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN Thank you I could not agree with you more and that's all I have been trying to say for a couple of days now. I was beginning to think I had to make a eye exam cause I was watching a different games then everyone else was or if I had glaucoma lol No, you were watching the same "games", if you can call preseason games "games". The final 53 probably played fewer than 10% of the snaps as any one unit and at no time did they operate under the offensive or defensive schemes that will be utilized during the regular season. As fans, there is absolutely nothing valid we can elicit from what we saw either on TV or streaming via computer. Any evaluation we can attempt will be tainted by what we experienced last season and THAT is about as invalid as one can get. I have every reason to be optimistic about this season because it is about as diametrically opposed to what was experienced last season as one can get. Danno and \|Mitch\| like this.

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09-04-2013, 03:21 PM	#66
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Falcons..... We were all over the map when looking at both games, couldn't pull together stopping both in the same game. Atlanta Game 1 Rushing 46 / Passing 408 Game 2 Rushing 124 / Passing 159

09-04-2013, 04:43 PM	#67
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by Danno Wow, its not often that I disagree with every word of a postthis long. LB's aren't the foundation of a 3-4, the D-line is. And this is the best D-line we've had since LeRoi Glover was here. Our LB's are better than any group we've had since the dome patrol. Do you really miss Scott Shanle? Bringing back Meachem doesn't prove our WR's are weak at all. How in the world do you make that jump? Did you forget about adding Ben Watson to team with Graham? We set NFL records with a nearly dead Devery Henderson as our #2 wideout. Good grief thats unbelieveable. And a total overhaul next year? That is just totally ridiculous. This might be the worst post I've seen here in years. The only thing I agree with about this thread is Danno

09-04-2013, 05:18 PM	#68
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. #8 in total Defense #2 in Run Defense yes, it was just the preseason but the 1s still play the 1s and the 2s still play the 2s... We wont be that good on D this year, but I would expect to be ranked 10-20.

09-04-2013, 05:29 PM	#69
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: I'm afraid we're in trouble. Originally Posted by poydras I’m sorry, but I just don’t see any reason for all the bluster and optimism. Linebackers are the foundation for the 3-4 defense and our linebacker corps are in complete disarray. It’s unlikely that the defense will be much better than last year. Our offense relies heavily on the passing game and you can say the same thing about our receiver corps. Bringing back Meachum really just proves how bad we are at that position. Have we even named a 1 and 2 yet? Don’t even get me started about our running game. Other than predicting that we won’t beat the failcons, I’m not going to sit here and predict game by game like I’ve seen people do, but I don’t see us being any better than 8-8 and then requiring a total overhaul from the top down in the next offseason. I sure hope my Saints prove me wrong so everyone can bump this post when we go into December 11-0, but I'm not counting on it. I totally agree with the defensive problems. Given our schedule I dont see our record being that much better or any better than last year, even with Payton back. I do think we will be better offensively than we ever have been barring injury. Brees is in his prime and the addition of Watson I believe has been very under rated. Even with a crappy running game we will put up serious points. Hell it wouldnt surprise me if our D is even worse. DISPLACEDFAN likes this.
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