How would you fix the defense?

ncsaint · 10-05-2004, 08:49 AM

The answers to my last topic on why is the defense so bad/porous, most felt it was coaching, though many respondents felt that we had only two or three players that could start on other teams. Now my question is, besides firing the DC or Haslett, what would it take to fix this defense? Think realistic. What would it take to get this defense up into the middle defensive category?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-05-2004, 10:04 AM

The answers to my last topic on why is the defense so bad/porous, most felt it was coaching, though many respondents felt that we had only two or three players that could start on other teams. Now my question is, besides firing the DC or Haslett, what would it take to fix this defense? Think realistic. What would it take to get this defense up into the middle defensive category?

You took away the best available option. IMHO our talent isn\'t as bad as the defense played ,and frankly has been playing for the last couple of years. So that points to coaching, scheme, and philosophy. It\'s clear the defense has been worse since Bunting and Zook took their college jobs.

How about this as an idea: bring in a consultant. Who is the best defensive mind not working right now? Lure them in with some dollars to tweak the schemes and honestly to coach the coaches.

I mean do you really think that the Cards or the Falcons have significantly better personnel than we do? Why is it then that their defenses seem to play so much better than ours then?

SFIAH

2SAINTS04 · 10-05-2004, 02:17 PM

I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA!!!!!!! I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND DUMB BUT I THINK SEDRICK HODGE WILL HELP LIMITING THE RUN WHEN HE RETURNS THIS WEEK.

BrooksMustGo · 10-05-2004, 02:51 PM

We\'ve been working on run defense since Glover and Johnson left. I\'m not optimistic about Haslett\'s chances of fixing it.

VaeVictus · 10-05-2004, 03:15 PM

I think Haslett\'s tenure with the Saints is over. Love the guy, but the defense continues to be terrible, along with out offensive lines inability to be consistent. McKenzie hopefully helps us out some, but the glaring need has been at DT and LB for as long as I can remember. Losing to the Cards is inexcusable, completely. Everyone of those guys that played Sunday should donate their entire check for the week to some charity, b/c they did not deserve any of what they were paid.

saintz08 · 10-05-2004, 03:31 PM

How would you fix the defense?

Score more points on offense and send in the pass rush .....

Euphoria · 10-05-2004, 05:16 PM

Go to the Nickel as base defense and mix-match personel and blitz from anywheres... I\'d line up the fastest players just out side or DE\'s to blitz from the outside. I\'d even go to a 6-1 Defense, plug those freakin holes already. 3-4, 4-3 so normal. Be a bit more inovative, going to a 6-1 could drop one or 2 off to help cover TE\'s on a slant or hook. Someone is blitzing if not all at least someone is coming and you won\'t know where because they will all be showing at times.

Moog · 10-05-2004, 06:09 PM

The truth of the matter is that none of this fickleness over players, coaches or plays is going to accomplish anything except the venting of feelings and the expression of mis-informed, ignorant, half-guessing by people who don\'t know football anywhere near the people employed by the Saints orginization.

People hype up Peyton Manning and Brett Farve, but those same people blast them when they have one of their self-destruct 4 interception games. It\'s silly. Those with the fewest facts have the strongest opinions, and there are a lot of strong opinions by Saints fans.

The Saints can\'t get Bill Parcels or Andy Reid. Would it be better to have worse coaching? All of the star coaches are employed. If Aaron Brooks was on another team and we had a piece of monkey poop like Kitna at QB, everyone here would be whining why we can\'t get a QB like Brooks. Everyone\'s running in circles.

Remember, there is only 1 happy team each year. It would be more helpful if all of this energy was focused into supporting our orginization instead of the misinformed analysis.

whodatsaintsfan26 · 10-05-2004, 06:26 PM

your points are well taken, but that is the point of this board. To let the uninformed fans as you put it vent their frustration over what is happening with our team. We still support our team 100% (at least I do cant speak for everyone here). That is part of the fun of being a fan. We can bash our team and still support them. I notice this is your first post here. There is a lot of negativity when called for here. Welcome to blackandgold.

WhoDat · 10-05-2004, 06:33 PM

How would you fix the defense?

Trade it for Jacksonville\'s? Coaches and all... would that work?

10-05-2004, 08:49 AM	#1
ncsaint Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 15	How would you fix the defense? The answers to my last topic on why is the defense so bad/porous, most felt it was coaching, though many respondents felt that we had only two or three players that could start on other teams. Now my question is, besides firing the DC or Haslett, what would it take to fix this defense? Think realistic. What would it take to get this defense up into the middle defensive category?
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10-05-2004, 10:04 AM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	How would you fix the defense? The answers to my last topic on why is the defense so bad/porous, most felt it was coaching, though many respondents felt that we had only two or three players that could start on other teams. Now my question is, besides firing the DC or Haslett, what would it take to fix this defense? Think realistic. What would it take to get this defense up into the middle defensive category? You took away the best available option. IMHO our talent isn\'t as bad as the defense played ,and frankly has been playing for the last couple of years. So that points to coaching, scheme, and philosophy. It\'s clear the defense has been worse since Bunting and Zook took their college jobs. How about this as an idea: bring in a consultant. Who is the best defensive mind not working right now? Lure them in with some dollars to tweak the schemes and honestly to coach the coaches. I mean do you really think that the Cards or the Falcons have significantly better personnel than we do? Why is it then that their defenses seem to play so much better than ours then? SFIAH
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10-05-2004, 02:17 PM	#3
2SAINTS04 Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NORTH LOUISIANA Posts: 20	How would you fix the defense? I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA!!!!!!! I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND DUMB BUT I THINK SEDRICK HODGE WILL HELP LIMITING THE RUN WHEN HE RETURNS THIS WEEK.

10-05-2004, 02:51 PM	#4
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	How would you fix the defense? We\'ve been working on run defense since Glover and Johnson left. I\'m not optimistic about Haslett\'s chances of fixing it.

10-05-2004, 03:15 PM	#5
VaeVictus Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12	How would you fix the defense? I think Haslett\'s tenure with the Saints is over. Love the guy, but the defense continues to be terrible, along with out offensive lines inability to be consistent. McKenzie hopefully helps us out some, but the glaring need has been at DT and LB for as long as I can remember. Losing to the Cards is inexcusable, completely. Everyone of those guys that played Sunday should donate their entire check for the week to some charity, b/c they did not deserve any of what they were paid.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	How would you fix the defense? Go to the Nickel as base defense and mix-match personel and blitz from anywheres... I\'d line up the fastest players just out side or DE\'s to blitz from the outside. I\'d even go to a 6-1 Defense, plug those freakin holes already. 3-4, 4-3 so normal. Be a bit more inovative, going to a 6-1 could drop one or 2 off to help cover TE\'s on a slant or hook. Someone is blitzing if not all at least someone is coming and you won\'t know where because they will all be showing at times.
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10-05-2004, 06:09 PM	#8
Moog Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1	How would you fix the defense? The truth of the matter is that none of this fickleness over players, coaches or plays is going to accomplish anything except the venting of feelings and the expression of mis-informed, ignorant, half-guessing by people who don\'t know football anywhere near the people employed by the Saints orginization. People hype up Peyton Manning and Brett Farve, but those same people blast them when they have one of their self-destruct 4 interception games. It\'s silly. Those with the fewest facts have the strongest opinions, and there are a lot of strong opinions by Saints fans. The Saints can\'t get Bill Parcels or Andy Reid. Would it be better to have worse coaching? All of the star coaches are employed. If Aaron Brooks was on another team and we had a piece of monkey poop like Kitna at QB, everyone here would be whining why we can\'t get a QB like Brooks. Everyone\'s running in circles. Remember, there is only 1 happy team each year. It would be more helpful if all of this energy was focused into supporting our orginization instead of the misinformed analysis.
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10-05-2004, 06:26 PM	#9
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	How would you fix the defense? your points are well taken, but that is the point of this board. To let the uninformed fans as you put it vent their frustration over what is happening with our team. We still support our team 100% (at least I do cant speak for everyone here). That is part of the fun of being a fan. We can bash our team and still support them. I notice this is your first post here. There is a lot of negativity when called for here. Welcome to blackandgold.

10-05-2004, 06:33 PM	#10
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	How would you fix the defense? How would you fix the defense? Trade it for Jacksonville\'s? Coaches and all... would that work?
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