There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors

Jack Vegas · 09-09-2013, 12:08 AM

We're never going to put him in the kind of role he needs to succeed. I want to love the dude but he needs 20 carries a game and Sean is not going to have PT and Sproles riding the bench.

Get a mid-round pick for him, promote Robinson to the roster and move on.

saintsfan403 · 09-09-2013, 12:18 AM

Pretty hard to run when there's 3 ****ing defenders in the backfield. That whole Ingram to the giants thing was bs and the o-line playing poorly in THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON isn't going to make the team run out and trade him.

RockyMountainSaint · 09-09-2013, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

Pretty hard to run when there's 3 ****ing defenders in the backfield. That whole Ingram to the giants thing was bs and the o-line playing poorly in THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON isn't going to make the team run out and trade him.

Mark Ingram
Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2

Pierre Thomas
Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8

Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero.

So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault...........

Danno · 09-09-2013, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

Mark Ingram
Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2

Pierre Thomas
Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8

Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero.

So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault...........

Its pretty obvious watching the game.

When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's.

TheOak · 09-09-2013, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its pretty obvious watching the game.

When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's.

When Ingram goes in there is nothing to keep the defense honest and they crash hard after him. If we can see this I know Sean Payton can see this... May be setting up defenses for fakes to Ingram to open up something bigger. Sean Payton knows his tools and is brilliant, he also knows that the first few weeks of game tape will be watched over and over across the league.

CharityMike · 09-09-2013, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its pretty obvious watching the game.

When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's.

I agree, it's not the OL or Ingrams fault. Its STILL the coach's fault. Did they even throw a pass to Ingram? The Falcons just went off of what they saw last year, which was when Ingram is in, it's a run. The coach's did nothing to change that way of thought.

When PT is in there, they don't know if it's a run or pass. I thought the coaching staff finally understood this in the pre-season but apparently not. The more they only put Ingram in to run, the longer it's going to be before he is effective.

Saintaintso · 09-09-2013, 12:20 AM

I think Sean Payton can Fix it ... If we get out ahead of the Falcons like we should've the rest would've been running the clock down and wearing down their front as well.

Jack Vegas · 09-09-2013, 12:41 AM

^ I see a lot of people say how any time Ingram is in the game, the other team knows its a run and stacks the box.

To some extent I believe that is true, but it is not the factor that a lot of people think. Deuce ran against 8-man boxes his entire career. PT routinely breaks tackles behind the LOS and turns negative plays into 5 and 6 yard runs. Yes, the offensive line is not great run blockers, and yes, we are predictable when Ingram is in there, but at some point you have to go with what works. PT and Sproles work. Ingram does not.

Saintaintso · 09-09-2013, 12:46 AM

Mark Ingram
Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2

Pierre Thomas
Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8

Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero.

So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault...........

Don't mean to promote another site or whatnot but this just about sums it up...

Ingram 1.2 YPC on 9 attempts. - Page 7 - New Orleans Saints - Saintsreport.com - Message Boards

RockyMountainSaint · 09-09-2013, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Mark Ingram
Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2

Pierre Thomas
Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8

Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero.

So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault...........

Don't mean to promote another site or whatnot but this just about sums it up...

Ingram 1.2 YPC on 9 attempts. - Page 7 - New Orleans Saints - Saintsreport.com - Message Boards

So, where are the screencaps and analysis on PT's rushes?

I guess the big, mean o-line only blocks for him?

09-09-2013, 12:08 AM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors We're never going to put him in the kind of role he needs to succeed. I want to love the dude but he needs 20 carries a game and Sean is not going to have PT and Sproles riding the bench. Get a mid-round pick for him, promote Robinson to the roster and move on. RockyMountainSaint and Lyle75 like this.
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09-09-2013, 12:18 AM	#2
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Pretty hard to run when there's 3 ****ing defenders in the backfield. That whole Ingram to the giants thing was bs and the o-line playing poorly in THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON isn't going to make the team run out and trade him.

09-09-2013, 12:32 AM	#3
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by saintsfan403 Pretty hard to run when there's 3 ****ing defenders in the backfield. That whole Ingram to the giants thing was bs and the o-line playing poorly in THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON isn't going to make the team run out and trade him. Mark Ingram Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2 Pierre Thomas Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8 Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero. So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault........... Jamessr and AlaskaSaints like this.

09-09-2013, 07:55 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint Mark Ingram Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2 Pierre Thomas Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8 Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero. So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault........... Its pretty obvious watching the game. When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's. saintfan and SapperSaint like this.

09-09-2013, 09:16 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Danno Its pretty obvious watching the game. When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's. When Ingram goes in there is nothing to keep the defense honest and they crash hard after him. If we can see this I know Sean Payton can see this... May be setting up defenses for fakes to Ingram to open up something bigger. Sean Payton knows his tools and is brilliant, he also knows that the first few weeks of game tape will be watched over and over across the league.

09-09-2013, 10:57 AM	#6
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Danno Its pretty obvious watching the game. When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's. I agree, it's not the OL or Ingrams fault. Its STILL the coach's fault. Did they even throw a pass to Ingram? The Falcons just went off of what they saw last year, which was when Ingram is in, it's a run. The coach's did nothing to change that way of thought. When PT is in there, they don't know if it's a run or pass. I thought the coaching staff finally understood this in the pre-season but apparently not. The more they only put Ingram in to run, the longer it's going to be before he is effective.

09-09-2013, 12:20 AM	#7
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors I think Sean Payton can Fix it ... If we get out ahead of the Falcons like we should've the rest would've been running the clock down and wearing down their front as well.
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09-09-2013, 12:41 AM	#8
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors ^ I see a lot of people say how any time Ingram is in the game, the other team knows its a run and stacks the box. To some extent I believe that is true, but it is not the factor that a lot of people think. Deuce ran against 8-man boxes his entire career. PT routinely breaks tackles behind the LOS and turns negative plays into 5 and 6 yard runs. Yes, the offensive line is not great run blockers, and yes, we are predictable when Ingram is in there, but at some point you have to go with what works. PT and Sproles work. Ingram does not.
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09-09-2013, 12:46 AM	#9
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Mark Ingram Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2 Pierre Thomas Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8 Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero. So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault........... Don't mean to promote another site or whatnot but this just about sums it up... Ingram 1.2 YPC on 9 attempts. - Page 7 - New Orleans Saints - Saintsreport.com - Message Boards AlaskaSaints likes this.
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09-09-2013, 12:56 AM	#10
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Saintaintso Mark Ingram Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2 Pierre Thomas Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8 Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero. So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault........... Don't mean to promote another site or whatnot but this just about sums it up... Ingram 1.2 YPC on 9 attempts. - Page 7 - New Orleans Saints - Saintsreport.com - Message Boards So, where are the screencaps and analysis on PT's rushes? I guess the big, mean o-line only blocks for him?

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