There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors

TheOak · 09-09-2013, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

My my my ... Giants have no running backs ... Send me a pass rusher that contributes and am happy

May be? Where ya been hoss?

http://blackandgold.com/saints/59885...lks-rumor.html

Danno · 09-09-2013, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

Mark Ingram
Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2

Pierre Thomas
Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8

Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero.

So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault...........

Its pretty obvious watching the game.

When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's.

hagan714 · 09-09-2013, 08:59 AM

ok let me get this straight

the offense will get us there not the defense

your happy to trade Ingram before the trade dead line and go with two vets and two unproven backs for the season.

your nuts in my book.

unless the is a vet FA out there we can add to one of the most complex offense systems in the NFL and not really miss a beat. there are a few out there.

Willis McGahee
Beanie Wells
Cedric Benson
Kevin Smith
Michael Turner
Brandon Jacobs

to name a few

plus you would be doing ingram a huge favor moving him to the NYG. their OL is built for his style of running. plus they will abuse him

skymike · 09-09-2013, 09:01 AM

First thing I thought, when I tuned into the Giants Cowboys last night.

TheOak · 09-09-2013, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its pretty obvious watching the game.

When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's.

When Ingram goes in there is nothing to keep the defense honest and they crash hard after him. If we can see this I know Sean Payton can see this... May be setting up defenses for fakes to Ingram to open up something bigger. Sean Payton knows his tools and is brilliant, he also knows that the first few weeks of game tape will be watched over and over across the league.

Mardigras9 · 09-09-2013, 10:23 AM

Thomas is a more patient RB and that makes all the difference. Ingram doesn't seem to have the same vision, hopefully this improves as the season progresses if he stays healthy.

TheOak · 09-09-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Thomas is a more patient RB and that makes all the difference. Ingram doesn't seem to have the same vision, hopefully this improves as the season progresses if he stays healthy.

My best guess is that Ingram gets worse... Only because he is frustrated and will try to force things.. Doing that is the opposite of exercising vision and he will torpedo him self.

He is starting to pitch little fits at the end of runs and the camera guys know it, that's why they stay on him after his runs... I hope he can control himself until he either gets over his hump or leaves New Orleans.. We do not need any penalties because of it.

DISPLACEDFAN · 09-09-2013, 11:55 AM

Trading Ingram has my vote. Id rather have a draft pick in next years draft.I rather have Thomas carrying the load.

CharityMike · 09-09-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its pretty obvious watching the game.

When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS.

It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's.

I agree, it's not the OL or Ingrams fault. Its STILL the coach's fault. Did they even throw a pass to Ingram? The Falcons just went off of what they saw last year, which was when Ingram is in, it's a run. The coach's did nothing to change that way of thought.

When PT is in there, they don't know if it's a run or pass. I thought the coaching staff finally understood this in the pre-season but apparently not. The more they only put Ingram in to run, the longer it's going to be before he is effective.

Budsdrinker · 09-09-2013, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

Let's just agree to disagree...

And trade Ingram because he SUX.

Alaska

Love ya like a brother but your boy Ivory had 10 carries for only 15 yards yesterday.
If all you do is run the ball with certain personnel in, defenses will stack the box and stop the run. Until Ingram is involved more in the passing game he will be ineffective.

09-09-2013, 08:45 AM	#41
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Saintaintso My my my ... Giants have no running backs ... Send me a pass rusher that contributes and am happy May be? Where ya been hoss? http://blackandgold.com/saints/59885...lks-rumor.html

09-09-2013, 08:55 AM	#42
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint Mark Ingram Att 9 Yds 11 Avg 1.2 Pierre Thomas Att 9 Yds 43 Avg 4.8 Also, Thomas had four receptions and Ingram had zero. So, tell me again how it's the o-line's fault........... Its pretty obvious watching the game. When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's. saintfan and SapperSaint like this.

09-09-2013, 08:59 AM	#43
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors ok let me get this straight the offense will get us there not the defense your happy to trade Ingram before the trade dead line and go with two vets and two unproven backs for the season. your nuts in my book. unless the is a vet FA out there we can add to one of the most complex offense systems in the NFL and not really miss a beat. there are a few out there. Willis McGahee Beanie Wells Cedric Benson Kevin Smith Michael Turner Brandon Jacobs to name a few plus you would be doing ingram a huge favor moving him to the NYG. their OL is built for his style of running. plus they will abuse him SapperSaint likes this.
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09-09-2013, 09:01 AM	#44
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors First thing I thought, when I tuned into the Giants Cowboys last night.

09-09-2013, 10:16 AM	#45
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Danno Its pretty obvious watching the game. When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's. When Ingram goes in there is nothing to keep the defense honest and they crash hard after him. If we can see this I know Sean Payton can see this... May be setting up defenses for fakes to Ingram to open up something bigger. Sean Payton knows his tools and is brilliant, he also knows that the first few weeks of game tape will be watched over and over across the league.

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09-09-2013, 10:23 AM	#46
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Thomas is a more patient RB and that makes all the difference. Ingram doesn't seem to have the same vision, hopefully this improves as the season progresses if he stays healthy.

09-09-2013, 10:24 AM	#47
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Thomas is a more patient RB and that makes all the difference. Ingram doesn't seem to have the same vision, hopefully this improves as the season progresses if he stays healthy. My best guess is that Ingram gets worse... Only because he is frustrated and will try to force things.. Doing that is the opposite of exercising vision and he will torpedo him self. He is starting to pitch little fits at the end of runs and the camera guys know it, that's why they stay on him after his runs... I hope he can control himself until he either gets over his hump or leaves New Orleans.. We do not need any penalties because of it. AlaskaSaints likes this.
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09-09-2013, 11:55 AM	#48
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Trading Ingram has my vote. Id rather have a draft pick in next years draft.I rather have Thomas carrying the load.

09-09-2013, 11:57 AM	#49
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by Danno Its pretty obvious watching the game. When Ingram got the hand-off he was met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. When Thomas got the hand-off he was NOT met by 3 defenders 2 yards behind the LOS. It may not be the O-line's fault, but it isn't Ingram's. I agree, it's not the OL or Ingrams fault. Its STILL the coach's fault. Did they even throw a pass to Ingram? The Falcons just went off of what they saw last year, which was when Ingram is in, it's a run. The coach's did nothing to change that way of thought. When PT is in there, they don't know if it's a run or pass. I thought the coaching staff finally understood this in the pre-season but apparently not. The more they only put Ingram in to run, the longer it's going to be before he is effective.

09-09-2013, 12:23 PM	#50
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: There May Be Mark Ingram to Giant Rumors Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints Let's just agree to disagree... And trade Ingram because he SUX. Alaska Love ya like a brother but your boy Ivory had 10 carries for only 15 yards yesterday. If all you do is run the ball with certain personnel in, defenses will stack the box and stop the run. Until Ingram is involved more in the passing game he will be ineffective. CharityMike likes this.

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