Give Our Backs some Space

frankeefrank · 09-11-2013, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

True but sproles had literally the same stats as ingram minus his receiving totals

What?

Beastmode · 09-10-2013, 03:09 PM

Stiff arm and cuts are his strengths. It's as if we go out of our way not to utilize them.

Saintaintso · 09-10-2013, 03:59 PM

Lol idiots talkin bout he should cut it back and find another hole , are they refferring to the traffic jam in Jed Collins back or grubs getting blown back ... There is no cutback lane or hole ...

Glad y'all are just fans and not coaches , Payton is keeping ingram around for a reason , he even said the praise of beating the falcons was completely gone when he watched the tape and saw the offensive line ...

TheOak · 09-10-2013, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

Lol idiots talkin bout he should cut it back and find another hole , are they refferring to the traffic jam in Jed Collins back or grubs getting blown back ... There is no cutback lane or hole ...

Glad y'all are just fans and not coaches , Payton is keeping ingram around for a reason , he even said the praise of beating the falcons was completely gone when he watched the tape and saw the offensive line ...

You calling others idiot?

Saintaintso · 09-10-2013, 04:03 PM

We should start cutting backside , too often have I seen Sproles or PT get a seem and shoelaced down , cutting on draws , heck just cut everyone ...

I know when I played I hated it lol

Saintaintso · 09-10-2013, 04:07 PM

Which hole do you cut back to when your completely surrounded the very moment you get the ball ... How can any rational thinker say ingram shouldn't be i our team when we haven't done right by him ?

He's a bust , then Reggie is too huh ?

Get off it ... Perhaps my choice of words may not have been TE beat but it certainly describes the thinking of ingram haters ..

AlaskaSaints · 09-10-2013, 04:18 PM

5.0 never had a problem getting out of the backfield.

But, yeah, I'll wait for this miraculous breakout year to materialize.

In the meantime, he will make a great decoy for Drew to capitalize on.

Alaska

Euphoria · 09-10-2013, 04:28 PM

There is a reason Ingram is 3rd on the depth charts.

TheOak · 09-10-2013, 05:20 PM

Fine, lets have an honest discussion about Ingram with out the name calling if you are capable. If you're not please let me know, I can facilitate if you can grasp.

1. Ingram compared to Bush: Seriously? Reggie (and I am no fan of his) was polar opposites depending on the game, but when he was on he was nearly a human highlight reel. Roll the historical tape in your pea and tell me of all the cover worthy Mark Ingram highlights? Reggie's production is near double Ingram's, look at his stats, the receiving nearly doubles his production. Reggie is a comparison for Sproles...Not Mark Ingram.

2. Ingram compared to Sproles: Basically the same statement as above? (Lowest YPC as a Saint 5.1)

3. Ingram compared to Ivory: Do you really want to have a performance comparison between these two? (Lowest YPC season 4.7)

4. Ingram compared to PT: ...... See #3 (other than his injured season in 2010 he is a 4.8 YPC back)

5. Ingram is a consistent 3.8 YPC back for 2+ years now, you can blame the Sunday o-line all you like. Are you going to blame 2011 and 2012 on our online Sunday? The same line all of our other backs found a way to get it done?

As far as being an "Ingram hater", that's a cop-out school girls use when they can't reasonably debate with factual evidence.. I am no Ingram hater, I carried Ingram for two entire seasons on my fantasy football team hoping he would get something done. I'm a realist, a pragmatist, and he is yet to get it done or earn a pass on one bad game.

As far as for your idiot statement, you called people that comment "he should cut back" idiots right after you "liked" a comment saying that cutting back is one of his strengths.

This is the what have you done for me lately league, list all of the great games Ingram has had to prove he is worth staying instead of covering all of the excuses that have been covered a dozen times before. Never-mind, I looked for you, grand total of about 5 games out of 28 starts worth of games worth honorable mention.

Lets also put the BS about he needs more carries to get better, to bed. Have you looked at his situational stats before proclaiming those that do not agree with you "haters"?

2012
Attempts 1-10. 4.2 YPC
Attempts 11-20 2.1 YPC

Why doesn't Payton give Ingram more carries? Because Ingram hasn't earned them. Can you, with a straight face, tell me that Sean Payton.... the genius that made something out of Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore, and Marques Colston; becomes an idiot when it comes to Mark Ingram and doesn't know what to do with him or how to make him productive, IF he can be productive with the Saints? The Ingram isn't cutting it threads have been going on for over two years here, we didn't just wake up Monday morning and decide one game sealed his fate.

Now, why should he be kept coach?

Danno · 09-10-2013, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Fine, lets have an honest discussion about Ingram with out the name calling if you are capable. If you're not please let me know, I can facilitate if you can grasp.

1. Ingram compared to Bush: Seriously? Reggie (and I am no fan of his) was polar opposites depending on the game, but when he was on he was nearly a human highlight reel. Roll the historical tape in your pea and tell me of all the cover worthy Mark Ingram highlights? Reggie's production is near double Ingram's, look at his stats, the receiving nearly doubles his production. Reggie is a comparison for Sproles...Not Mark Ingram.

2. Ingram compared to Sproles: Basically the same statement as above? (Lowest YPC as a Saint 5.1)

3. Ingram compared to Ivory: Do you really want to have a performance comparison between these two? (Lowest YPC season 4.7)

4. Ingram compared to PT: ...... See #3 (other than his injured season in 2010 he is a 4.8 YPC back)

5. Ingram is a consistent 3.8 YPC back for 2+ years now, you can blame the Sunday o-line all you like. Are you going to blame 2011 and 2012 on our online Sunday? The same line all of our other backs found a way to get it done?

As far as being an "Ingram hater", that's a cop-out school girls use when they can't reasonably debate with factual evidence.. I am no Ingram hater, I carried Ingram for two entire seasons on my fantasy football team hoping he would get something done. I'm a realist, a pragmatist, and he is yet to get it done or earn a pass on one bad game.

As far as for your idiot statement, you called people that comment "he should cut back" idiots right after you "liked" a comment saying that cutting back is one of his strengths.

This is the what have you done for me lately league, list all of the great games Ingram has had to prove he is worth staying instead of covering all of the excuses that have been covered a dozen times before. Never-mind, I looked for you, grand total of about 5 games out of 28 starts worth of games worth honorable mention.

Lets also put the BS about he needs more carries to get better, to bed. Have you looked at his situational stats before proclaiming those that do not agree with you "haters"?

2012
Attempts 1-10. 4.2 YPC
Attempts 11-20 2.1 YPC

Why doesn't Payton give Ingram more carries? Because Ingram hasn't earned them. Can you, with a straight face, tell me that Sean Payton.... the genius that made something out of Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore, and Marques Colston; becomes an idiot when it comes to Mark Ingram and doesn't know what to do with him or how to make him productive, IF he can be productive with the Saints? The Ingram isn't cutting it threads have been going on for over two years here, we didn't just wake up Monday morning and decide one game sealed his fate.

Now, why should he be kept coach?

I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see.

When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS.

When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't.

Its been that way for 2 years.

I'm not smart enough to get past that one.

09-11-2013, 06:13 PM	#1
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by dizzle88 True but sproles had literally the same stats as ingram minus his receiving totals What?
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09-10-2013, 03:09 PM	#2
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Stiff arm and cuts are his strengths. It's as if we go out of our way not to utilize them. ClintSaints and Saintaintso like this.
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09-10-2013, 03:59 PM	#3
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Lol idiots talkin bout he should cut it back and find another hole , are they refferring to the traffic jam in Jed Collins back or grubs getting blown back ... There is no cutback lane or hole ... Glad y'all are just fans and not coaches , Payton is keeping ingram around for a reason , he even said the praise of beating the falcons was completely gone when he watched the tape and saw the offensive line ...
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09-10-2013, 04:01 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by Saintaintso Lol idiots talkin bout he should cut it back and find another hole , are they refferring to the traffic jam in Jed Collins back or grubs getting blown back ... There is no cutback lane or hole ... Glad y'all are just fans and not coaches , Payton is keeping ingram around for a reason , he even said the praise of beating the falcons was completely gone when he watched the tape and saw the offensive line ... You calling others idiot?

09-10-2013, 04:03 PM	#5
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Give Our Backs some Space We should start cutting backside , too often have I seen Sproles or PT get a seem and shoelaced down , cutting on draws , heck just cut everyone ... I know when I played I hated it lol
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09-10-2013, 04:07 PM	#6
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Which hole do you cut back to when your completely surrounded the very moment you get the ball ... How can any rational thinker say ingram shouldn't be i our team when we haven't done right by him ? He's a bust , then Reggie is too huh ? Get off it ... Perhaps my choice of words may not have been TE beat but it certainly describes the thinking of ingram haters ..
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09-10-2013, 04:18 PM	#7
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Give Our Backs some Space 5.0 never had a problem getting out of the backfield. But, yeah, I'll wait for this miraculous breakout year to materialize. In the meantime, he will make a great decoy for Drew to capitalize on. Alaska

09-10-2013, 04:28 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Give Our Backs some Space There is a reason Ingram is 3rd on the depth charts. TheOak likes this.

09-10-2013, 05:20 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Give Our Backs some Space Fine, lets have an honest discussion about Ingram with out the name calling if you are capable. If you're not please let me know, I can facilitate if you can grasp. 1. Ingram compared to Bush: Seriously? Reggie (and I am no fan of his) was polar opposites depending on the game, but when he was on he was nearly a human highlight reel. Roll the historical tape in your pea and tell me of all the cover worthy Mark Ingram highlights? Reggie's production is near double Ingram's, look at his stats, the receiving nearly doubles his production. Reggie is a comparison for Sproles...Not Mark Ingram. 2. Ingram compared to Sproles: Basically the same statement as above? (Lowest YPC as a Saint 5.1) 3. Ingram compared to Ivory: Do you really want to have a performance comparison between these two? (Lowest YPC season 4.7) 4. Ingram compared to PT: ...... See #3 (other than his injured season in 2010 he is a 4.8 YPC back) 5. Ingram is a consistent 3.8 YPC back for 2+ years now, you can blame the Sunday o-line all you like. Are you going to blame 2011 and 2012 on our online Sunday? The same line all of our other backs found a way to get it done? As far as being an "Ingram hater", that's a cop-out school girls use when they can't reasonably debate with factual evidence.. I am no Ingram hater, I carried Ingram for two entire seasons on my fantasy football team hoping he would get something done. I'm a realist, a pragmatist, and he is yet to get it done or earn a pass on one bad game. As far as for your idiot statement, you called people that comment "he should cut back" idiots right after you "liked" a comment saying that cutting back is one of his strengths. This is the what have you done for me lately league, list all of the great games Ingram has had to prove he is worth staying instead of covering all of the excuses that have been covered a dozen times before. Never-mind, I looked for you, grand total of about 5 games out of 28 starts worth of games worth honorable mention. Lets also put the BS about he needs more carries to get better, to bed. Have you looked at his situational stats before proclaiming those that do not agree with you "haters"? 2012 Attempts 1-10. 4.2 YPC Attempts 11-20 2.1 YPC Why doesn't Payton give Ingram more carries? Because Ingram hasn't earned them. Can you, with a straight face, tell me that Sean Payton.... the genius that made something out of Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore, and Marques Colston; becomes an idiot when it comes to Mark Ingram and doesn't know what to do with him or how to make him productive, IF he can be productive with the Saints? The Ingram isn't cutting it threads have been going on for over two years here, we didn't just wake up Monday morning and decide one game sealed his fate. Now, why should he be kept coach?
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-10-2013, 05:57 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by TheOak Fine, lets have an honest discussion about Ingram with out the name calling if you are capable. If you're not please let me know, I can facilitate if you can grasp. 1. Ingram compared to Bush: Seriously? Reggie (and I am no fan of his) was polar opposites depending on the game, but when he was on he was nearly a human highlight reel. Roll the historical tape in your pea and tell me of all the cover worthy Mark Ingram highlights? Reggie's production is near double Ingram's, look at his stats, the receiving nearly doubles his production. Reggie is a comparison for Sproles...Not Mark Ingram. 2. Ingram compared to Sproles: Basically the same statement as above? (Lowest YPC as a Saint 5.1) 3. Ingram compared to Ivory: Do you really want to have a performance comparison between these two? (Lowest YPC season 4.7) 4. Ingram compared to PT: ...... See #3 (other than his injured season in 2010 he is a 4.8 YPC back) 5. Ingram is a consistent 3.8 YPC back for 2+ years now, you can blame the Sunday o-line all you like. Are you going to blame 2011 and 2012 on our online Sunday? The same line all of our other backs found a way to get it done? As far as being an "Ingram hater", that's a cop-out school girls use when they can't reasonably debate with factual evidence.. I am no Ingram hater, I carried Ingram for two entire seasons on my fantasy football team hoping he would get something done. I'm a realist, a pragmatist, and he is yet to get it done or earn a pass on one bad game. As far as for your idiot statement, you called people that comment "he should cut back" idiots right after you "liked" a comment saying that cutting back is one of his strengths. This is the what have you done for me lately league, list all of the great games Ingram has had to prove he is worth staying instead of covering all of the excuses that have been covered a dozen times before. Never-mind, I looked for you, grand total of about 5 games out of 28 starts worth of games worth honorable mention. Lets also put the BS about he needs more carries to get better, to bed. Have you looked at his situational stats before proclaiming those that do not agree with you "haters"? 2012 Attempts 1-10. 4.2 YPC Attempts 11-20 2.1 YPC Why doesn't Payton give Ingram more carries? Because Ingram hasn't earned them. Can you, with a straight face, tell me that Sean Payton.... the genius that made something out of Pierre Thomas, Lance Moore, and Marques Colston; becomes an idiot when it comes to Mark Ingram and doesn't know what to do with him or how to make him productive, IF he can be productive with the Saints? The Ingram isn't cutting it threads have been going on for over two years here, we didn't just wake up Monday morning and decide one game sealed his fate. Now, why should he be kept coach? I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see. When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS. When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't. Its been that way for 2 years. I'm not smart enough to get past that one. Saintaintso and saintsfan403 like this.

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