Give Our Backs some Space

TheOak · 09-10-2013, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see.

When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS.

When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't.

Its been that way for 2 years.

I'm not smart enough to get past that one.

We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.

Cory9289 · 09-12-2013, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.

It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.

TheOak · 09-12-2013, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cory9289

It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.

So the defense also knows the snap count? Our o-line is weaker when Ingram is in thus the defenses ability to "bust through"?

I think Rugby Saints II hit the nail fairly close to the head, if the truth were known, id wager that PT doesn't always hit the intended hole, he makes it work.

saintsfan1976 · 09-10-2013, 05:55 PM

Ingram and Bush are injured around the same amount of games as well.

You forgot that one.

The only difference I see (you may label this as another excuse as well) was the effort to engage in zone blocking on Sunday that wasn't executed all that well.

I'm into Ingram as a Saint this year even though I've commented that he won't ever be a 1,000 rusher in New Orleans.

For the first time he's 100% and he certainly looks the part.

TheOak · 09-10-2013, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Ingram and Bush are injured around the same amount of games as well.

You forgot that one.

The only difference I see (you may label this as another excuse as well) was the effort to engage in zone blocking on Sunday that wasn't executed all that well.

I'm into Ingram as a Saint this year even though I've commented that he won't ever be a 1,000 rusher in New Orleans.

For the first time he's 100% and he certainly looks the part.

I'm in no way saying Sunday was all Ingram, but 1/2 was. Read Holders film study I posted; when you only get 9 carries you can't afford to get tripped up, or falling over into DLP's azz. You need to run EVERY run like its your last... PT or Ivory style.

Have you ever known someone that just always has problems and actually is never the cause? The blame may not be his but the fact still remains that that person is always caught up in some problem. Some people just do not have good luck and that matters.

Rugby Saint II · 09-11-2013, 03:15 PM

Here is what I noticed Sunday. Ingram has no peripheral vision. He doesn't see things like PT does and therefore can not make things happen. He lacks the vision at this level that he needs.....apparently the game hasn't slowed down for him yet.

homerj07 · 09-11-2013, 06:21 PM

This is a problem that won't go away. We have been talks g about it since the playoff loss to Seattle.

09-10-2013, 06:12 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by Danno I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see. When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS. When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't. Its been that way for 2 years. I'm not smart enough to get past that one. We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy? I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster? Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-12-2013, 12:17 AM	#2
Cory9289 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 275	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by TheOak We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy? I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster? Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out. It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.
Cory9289 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 275

09-12-2013, 04:16 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by Cory9289 It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious. So the defense also knows the snap count? Our o-line is weaker when Ingram is in thus the defenses ability to "bust through"? I think Rugby Saints II hit the nail fairly close to the head, if the truth were known, id wager that PT doesn't always hit the intended hole, he makes it work.

09-10-2013, 05:55 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,011 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Ingram and Bush are injured around the same amount of games as well. You forgot that one. The only difference I see (you may label this as another excuse as well) was the effort to engage in zone blocking on Sunday that wasn't executed all that well. I'm into Ingram as a Saint this year even though I've commented that he won't ever be a 1,000 rusher in New Orleans. For the first time he's 100% and he certainly looks the part.

09-10-2013, 06:05 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Ingram and Bush are injured around the same amount of games as well. You forgot that one. The only difference I see (you may label this as another excuse as well) was the effort to engage in zone blocking on Sunday that wasn't executed all that well. I'm into Ingram as a Saint this year even though I've commented that he won't ever be a 1,000 rusher in New Orleans. For the first time he's 100% and he certainly looks the part. I'm in no way saying Sunday was all Ingram, but 1/2 was. Read Holders film study I posted; when you only get 9 carries you can't afford to get tripped up, or falling over into DLP's azz. You need to run EVERY run like its your last... PT or Ivory style. Have you ever known someone that just always has problems and actually is never the cause? The blame may not be his but the fact still remains that that person is always caught up in some problem. Some people just do not have good luck and that matters.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-11-2013, 03:15 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,148	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Here is what I noticed Sunday. Ingram has no peripheral vision. He doesn't see things like PT does and therefore can not make things happen. He lacks the vision at this level that he needs.....apparently the game hasn't slowed down for him yet. frankeefrank likes this.

09-11-2013, 06:21 PM	#7
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Give Our Backs some Space This is a problem that won't go away. We have been talks g about it since the playoff loss to Seattle.

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