Give Our Backs some Space

TheOak · 09-10-2013, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see.

When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS.

When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't.

Its been that way for 2 years.

I'm not smart enough to get past that one.

We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.

Rugby Saint II · 09-11-2013, 03:15 PM

Here is what I noticed Sunday. Ingram has no peripheral vision. He doesn't see things like PT does and therefore can not make things happen. He lacks the vision at this level that he needs.....apparently the game hasn't slowed down for him yet.

frankeefrank · 09-11-2013, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

True but sproles had literally the same stats as ingram minus his receiving totals

What?

homerj07 · 09-11-2013, 06:21 PM

This is a problem that won't go away. We have been talks g about it since the playoff loss to Seattle.

Cory9289 · 09-12-2013, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy?

I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster?

Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.

It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.

nola_swammi · 09-12-2013, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Cory9289

The problem with so many running backs is we specialize them too much. As a defense, all you have to do is study tape and you'll take Ingram down every time in the backfield.

P.T. gets more variety than Ingram, which makes him a bit more illusive and successful. Ingram maybe had 1 or 2 holes against the Falcons.

I don't buy that excuse cause Ivory had those same holes without any variety and he did better. Ingram just not illusive, he just a brute runner. It work for him in college but the linebackers and safeties in the pros are much better tacklers

TheOak · 09-12-2013, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by Cory9289

It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.

So the defense also knows the snap count? Our o-line is weaker when Ingram is in thus the defenses ability to "bust through"?

I think Rugby Saints II hit the nail fairly close to the head, if the truth were known, id wager that PT doesn't always hit the intended hole, he makes it work.

09-10-2013, 06:12 PM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by Danno I'm no X & O genius, but I see what I see. When Ingram gets the ball, he's surrounded by defenders 2-3 yards behind the LOS. When our other RB's get the ball, they aren't. Its been that way for 2 years. I'm not smart enough to get past that one. We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy? I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster? Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-11-2013, 03:15 PM	#22
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Here is what I noticed Sunday. Ingram has no peripheral vision. He doesn't see things like PT does and therefore can not make things happen. He lacks the vision at this level that he needs.....apparently the game hasn't slowed down for him yet. frankeefrank likes this.

09-11-2013, 06:13 PM	#23
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by dizzle88 True but sproles had literally the same stats as ingram minus his receiving totals What?
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09-11-2013, 06:21 PM	#24
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Give Our Backs some Space This is a problem that won't go away. We have been talks g about it since the playoff loss to Seattle.

09-12-2013, 12:17 AM	#25
Cory9289 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 275	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by TheOak We see the same thing Danno. I have said before, it looks like he closes his eyes and runs into out linemens asses. So it's either Ingram or an offensive line conspiracy? I don't see a conspiracy as he is too quiet from what I don't read about him. If he is hitting the hole too soon there wouldn't be defenders in the backfield. Is there a chance he is hitting the hole too late? It doesn't look that way but speed can be deceiving in the NFL. Anomaly where Ingram on the field makes LBrs faster? Even when he tries to get around the end he ends up getting skated out. It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious.
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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by Cory9289 The problem with so many running backs is we specialize them too much. As a defense, all you have to do is study tape and you'll take Ingram down every time in the backfield. P.T. gets more variety than Ingram, which makes him a bit more illusive and successful. Ingram maybe had 1 or 2 holes against the Falcons. I don't buy that excuse cause Ivory had those same holes without any variety and he did better. Ingram just not illusive, he just a brute runner. It work for him in college but the linebackers and safeties in the pros are much better tacklers

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Give Our Backs some Space Originally Posted by Cory9289 It's simple, the defense picks up on Ingram and commits. Multiple times they're busting through before Brees gets the ball off. It's too obvious. So the defense also knows the snap count? Our o-line is weaker when Ingram is in thus the defenses ability to "bust through"? I think Rugby Saints II hit the nail fairly close to the head, if the truth were known, id wager that PT doesn't always hit the intended hole, he makes it work.

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