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He's averaging less than 2 yards per carry this year. If he rushed the ball 4 times, we'd still be 2 yards short of a first down.

I understand our offensive line hasn't been great this year(so far), but good players can make yards out of nothing. Right now, Ingram just isn't very good. I'm not saying we should take the guy out of our rotation completely, but something has to change on the way we use him and we need to some making excuses for him when he's failing. His criticism in warranted. His ability to read and diagnosis plays since he's been here has not changed. His ability to create yards after contact has not changed. The only thing that has changed from week to week is the amount of excuses we can come up with to deflect from his performance.

And if you're going to knock Sproles for averaging 3.6 YPC, please knock Ingram as well. That said if we ran Sproles even at 3.6 YPC, we'd be moving the chains.

I hope he turns things around. I hope he turns things around here. But sometimes things just don't work out the way they're intended to... and we need to acknowledge that and stop forcing it.

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For those members that havent followed the Ingram threads the past 3 seasons. We have had at least 5 Ingram threads per season, the first season it was a 75/25 split favoring Ingram proponents. The second season it was 50/50 split. Now in the second game of the third season Ingram has about 15% in favor.

I HOPE and WANT Ingram to do very well for the Saints, however he is not, and I will hammer him until he does. I will personally start a new "Ingram did well" thread each and every time he has a good game, and congratulate him. I am being as fair as I possibly can to the situation.

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You know Oak, that point is brought up all the time when we're discussing Ingram but somehow people continue to ignore it.

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I think you mean the Giants signed that nut Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw is now a COLT.

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No, Thomas is. I agree with you on that. But if Thomas was used like Ingram is, I wouldn't be as confident.

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Bulls eye Fantasy Comments from Roto


Mark Ingram rushed eight times for 20 yards in Sunday's Week 2 win over the Bucs.

Advice: The Saints' insistence on trying to fit a square peg into a round hole is hurting them. Ingram was once again held under 3.0 YPC and this time got stuffed twice at the goal-line -- including once on a key 4th-and-goal spot. Ingram is not a receiver, so opponents know what is coming when he's in the game. He's also shown no power or elusiveness through three NFL seasons. Pierre Thomas should be getting Ingram's carries. Owners in normal-sized leagues can move on.
(Rotoworld.com)
Mark Ingram - New Orleans Saints - 2013 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Re: Ingram- What do we do with him?
 

we have no options he is here for 2014 so start using correctly and stop forcing the issue SP.

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In that case, he is a change of pace back and gives PT a break. However.. and I emphasize a huge HOWEVER, if we continue to run Ingram, leaving Cadet and K. Robinson on the bench, if PT gets injured you now have Ingram on the field and no RBs with any NFL snaps other than Sproles to take snaps. It is time to see what Cadet and K. Robinson can do in the real world, no use keeping both on a roster to ride the bench.

I do not look at Sproles as a pure RB as I do the other 4.

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Stats aside, sometimes you just have to go with what you see.

When I watch PT run, I see a guy with a low center of gravity, great balance and vision, and strong, powerful legs.

When I watch MI run, I see a guy who runs more upright than most successful backs, someone who is more easily knocked down, and someone who can't find the hole.

Regardless of whether the opposing D has 8 or 11 in the box, these traits do not change. Think the D is keying on MI? That's his fault, too, for not being a threat in the passing game.

I wanted him traded last year when Detroit was so desperate, but think any trade talk is too late now. Value is too low.

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IMHO, it's always detrimental for a team to give up multiple picks for a player. Rarely does it ever work out positively. Therein lies the main problem with Ingram, heightened expectations for which he has not lived up to.