One thing about Tampa

DemonicSaint · 09-16-2013, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

bucs had this game and gave it away.

That's the difference. The Saints with Payton can finish games, while the Payton-less Saints couldn't. That's the problem with the Yucc's, they have a dead fish for a head coach. (hey, at least Mike Smith is funny to look at when he is mad.).

lsutigerfan · 09-16-2013, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

bucs had this game and gave it away.

Saints had this game And Drew Brees almost gave it away.

Saintaintso · 09-15-2013, 10:18 PM

The 11 saints would've fallen in that trap game and did ... I think this team has much more resolve and fight than our predecessors ...

QBREES9 · 09-15-2013, 11:32 PM

Bucs had the game and gave it away is right. They just couldn't seal the deal.

SaintFanQ · 09-16-2013, 02:45 AM

This game was pretty ugly for us but I will take the W. Think a lot of things need sorting out over the next week before we play the Cards!

Nice to be 2-0 though, but again, too may injuries.

GEAUX SAINTS.

SaintsBro · 09-16-2013, 09:15 AM

I know this sounds totally goofy but the NFL ought to consider experimenting with a "penalty box" type of situation instead of fines. Where if you get called for a really blatant illegal hit, you get put in an orange padded box and have to spend X amount of defensive snaps on the sideline before you are let back in.

The fines aren't working, because the players earn so much. And I have no hard proof but I really do believe that coaches or teams are covering for some of the fines, either under the table, or in other ways (signing bonus, workout bonus etc).

But if defensive players were forced to immediately come out the game for leading with the helmet or making cheap shot hits, I think it would reduce them considerably. Because then the coaches and fans would get mad at the players, instead of celebrating them, it would give the backup player some time to make his mark, which would harm a first-string player a lot more than a fine, and make him think twice about doing it again. Because these fines they get are basically what he spends at "the club" with his posse on a typical Saturday night.

It could be something like a 10 play ejection or something. But the fines are definitely NOT working the way Goodell intends them to work; like everything else he does, it blows up in his face.

SloMotion · 09-16-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I know this sounds totally goofy but the NFL ought to consider experimenting with a "penalty box" type of situation instead of fines. Where if you get called for a really blatant illegal hit, you get put in an orange padded box and have to spend X amount of defensive snaps on the sideline before you are let back in.

The fines aren't working, because the players earn so much. And I have no hard proof but I really do believe that coaches or teams are covering for some of the fines, either under the table, or in other ways (signing bonus, workout bonus etc).

But if defensive players were forced to immediately come out the game for leading with the helmet or making cheap shot hits, I think it would reduce them considerably. Because then the coaches and fans would get mad at the players, instead of celebrating them, it would give the backup player some time to make his mark, which would harm a first-string player a lot more than a fine, and make him think twice about doing it again. Because these fines they get are basically what he spends at "the club" with his posse on a typical Saturday night.

It could be something like a 10 play ejection or something. But the fines are definitely NOT working the way Goodell intends them to work; like everything else he does, it blows up in his face.

Good post, I've been thinking something along these lines in that the NFL should take a page from the NHL after watching the Clay Matthews-hit-on-Kaepernick ... in the NHL, there are two guiding principals in awarding penalties, fines, suspensions, et... "did the player leave their feet" and "was there blood/injury, and if so, how extensive?".

I think a clearly defined level of punishment similar to a 'penalty-box' system would do well in the NFL ... make 'em sit for a predetermined amount of time per infraction & force the team to play someone from the bench (shorthanded like in the NHL probably wouldn't work). We could call it a "millionaires time-out",

... but you're absolutely right, fining millionaires does not work,

.

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 09:28 AM

A coach and a QB away.... That is huge in the NFL.

It only took the Saints 39 years to get those two pieces.

leilung · 09-16-2013, 10:31 AM

I have to say I'm surprised that we were out 'nastied' by the Bucs early. Much like we set the tone with the Falcons and they were bewildered. I DON'T like the number of hits Drew is taking in the pocket tho. Makes me REALLY nervous!

homerj07 · 09-16-2013, 08:33 PM

Yes the Bucs gave the game. But our guys NEVER gave up & they could have very easily. A lot of the people on live chat had just done that.

09-16-2013, 02:39 AM	#1
DemonicSaint Registered Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 81	Re: One thing about Tampa Originally Posted by hagan714 bucs had this game and gave it away. That's the difference. The Saints with Payton can finish games, while the Payton-less Saints couldn't. That's the problem with the Yucc's, they have a dead fish for a head coach. (hey, at least Mike Smith is funny to look at when he is mad.). ScottyRo likes this.

09-16-2013, 02:47 AM	#2
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: One thing about Tampa Originally Posted by hagan714 bucs had this game and gave it away. Saints had this game And Drew Brees almost gave it away.

09-15-2013, 10:18 PM	#3
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: One thing about Tampa The 11 saints would've fallen in that trap game and did ... I think this team has much more resolve and fight than our predecessors ... RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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09-15-2013, 11:32 PM	#4
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: One thing about Tampa Bucs had the game and gave it away is right. They just couldn't seal the deal.

09-16-2013, 02:45 AM	#5
SaintFanQ Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leicester, England Posts: 801	Re: One thing about Tampa This game was pretty ugly for us but I will take the W. Think a lot of things need sorting out over the next week before we play the Cards! Nice to be 2-0 though, but again, too may injuries. GEAUX SAINTS.

09-16-2013, 09:15 AM	#6
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: One thing about Tampa I know this sounds totally goofy but the NFL ought to consider experimenting with a "penalty box" type of situation instead of fines. Where if you get called for a really blatant illegal hit, you get put in an orange padded box and have to spend X amount of defensive snaps on the sideline before you are let back in. The fines aren't working, because the players earn so much. And I have no hard proof but I really do believe that coaches or teams are covering for some of the fines, either under the table, or in other ways (signing bonus, workout bonus etc). But if defensive players were forced to immediately come out the game for leading with the helmet or making cheap shot hits, I think it would reduce them considerably. Because then the coaches and fans would get mad at the players, instead of celebrating them, it would give the backup player some time to make his mark, which would harm a first-string player a lot more than a fine, and make him think twice about doing it again. Because these fines they get are basically what he spends at "the club" with his posse on a typical Saturday night. It could be something like a 10 play ejection or something. But the fines are definitely NOT working the way Goodell intends them to work; like everything else he does, it blows up in his face. leilung, TheOak and SloMotion like this.

09-16-2013, 09:30 AM	#7
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: One thing about Tampa Originally Posted by SaintsBro I know this sounds totally goofy but the NFL ought to consider experimenting with a "penalty box" type of situation instead of fines. Where if you get called for a really blatant illegal hit, you get put in an orange padded box and have to spend X amount of defensive snaps on the sideline before you are let back in. The fines aren't working, because the players earn so much. And I have no hard proof but I really do believe that coaches or teams are covering for some of the fines, either under the table, or in other ways (signing bonus, workout bonus etc). But if defensive players were forced to immediately come out the game for leading with the helmet or making cheap shot hits, I think it would reduce them considerably. Because then the coaches and fans would get mad at the players, instead of celebrating them, it would give the backup player some time to make his mark, which would harm a first-string player a lot more than a fine, and make him think twice about doing it again. Because these fines they get are basically what he spends at "the club" with his posse on a typical Saturday night. It could be something like a 10 play ejection or something. But the fines are definitely NOT working the way Goodell intends them to work; like everything else he does, it blows up in his face. Good post, I've been thinking something along these lines in that the NFL should take a page from the NHL after watching the Clay Matthews-hit-on-Kaepernick ... in the NHL, there are two guiding principals in awarding penalties, fines, suspensions, et... "did the player leave their feet" and "was there blood/injury, and if so, how extensive?". I think a clearly defined level of punishment similar to a 'penalty-box' system would do well in the NFL ... make 'em sit for a predetermined amount of time per infraction & force the team to play someone from the bench (shorthanded like in the NHL probably wouldn't work). We could call it a "millionaires time-out", ... but you're absolutely right, fining millionaires does not work, .

09-16-2013, 09:28 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: One thing about Tampa A coach and a QB away.... That is huge in the NFL. It only took the Saints 39 years to get those two pieces. leilung likes this.

09-16-2013, 10:31 AM	#9
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,419	Re: One thing about Tampa I have to say I'm surprised that we were out 'nastied' by the Bucs early. Much like we set the tone with the Falcons and they were bewildered. I DON'T like the number of hits Drew is taking in the pocket tho. Makes me REALLY nervous!

09-16-2013, 08:33 PM	#10
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: One thing about Tampa Yes the Bucs gave the game. But our guys NEVER gave up & they could have very easily. A lot of the people on live chat had just done that.

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