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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The hit on Graham is a prime example. Someone threw up a foul penalty box idea and that may work, but it still only effects the player. He is getting paid regardless, and $30K in fines is chump change to ...

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Old 09-16-2013, 11:16 AM   #1
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Egregious Personal Fouls

The hit on Graham is a prime example.

Someone threw up a foul penalty box idea and that may work, but it still only effects the player. He is getting paid regardless, and $30K in fines is chump change to some of these guys. If you really want to stop the egregious head spears etc... You have to not hit the player but the organization, the coach, the owner... not in the pocket but where it really hurts... and hit them hard.. Saints fans know what that is like don't we?

I am willing to bet a case of your favorite beverage, or a Shrimp Po-Boy for some, that I could put an end to this BS... Dont touch the player... Hit the team allowing him to do that with reduction in Cap Space and see if the crap doesn't end very quickly.

How many head spears would be avoided if the penalty was $500,000 against next years cap space for each and every one, and after 3 in a season for the same team they lose a draft pick next season? The owner and GM would put an end to it very quickly.

For those that think the league is becoming too soft, Tim Ryan said it best...

"You think the NFL has become soft bro? Take your azz and spend 30 minutes on the field between the tackles then come back and tell me how soft it is."
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".....$500,000 against next years cap space for each and every one,"

The Saints would be down $500,000 after Vaccaro's hit wouldn't they?
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Originally Posted by vpheughan View Post
".....$500,000 against next years cap space for each and every one,"

The Saints would be down $500,000 after Vaccaro's hit wouldn't they?
There would have to be stipulations to the rule, which I don't feel Vaccaro's hit would qualify. Neither do I think the hit to Brees would qualify, didn't look like he was aiming for the head.

However, the hit to Graham was a blatant attempt to put him out of the game with a concussion.
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| View Post
There would have to be stipulations to the rule, which I don't feel Vaccaro's hit would qualify. Neither do I think the hit to Brees would qualify, didn't look like he was aiming for the head.

However, the hit to Graham was a blatant attempt to put him out of the game with a concussion.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:09 PM   #5
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500,000K against the cap is ridiculous and penalizing the team altogether is egregious. Why on God's green earth would we want more power in Roger's hands? Would you really want him being able to say "The Saints have lost their 1st round pick due to having personal foul penalties"? NO THANKS!!

However I do think Tampa needs to be investigated for a bounty program!
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500,000K against the cap is ridiculous and penalizing the team altogether is egregious. Why on God's green earth would we want more power in Roger's hands? Would you really want him being able to say "The Saints have lost their 1st round pick due to having personal foul penalties"? NO THANKS!!

However I do think Tampa needs to be investigated for a bounty program!
News flash..... He already has that power.

It would be putting no more power in Goodell's hands. He has all the power possible. You do realize that punishments for personal fouls are recommended to Goodell by a panel and for on the field violations, and his punishments are appealable to someone else. Did you follow Bounty Gate at all?

Like I said, if you want to stop an employee from doing things he shouldn't, you hit the person paying him to do it.

Thanks for popping off though.
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News flash..... He already has that power.

It would be putting no more power in Goodell's hands. He has all the power possible. You do realize that punishments for personal fouls are recommended to Goodell by a panel and for on the field violations, and his punishments are appealable to someone else. Did you follow Bounty Gate at all?

Like I said, if you want to stop an employee from doing things he shouldn't, you hit the person paying him to do it.

Thanks for popping off though.
You're right lets give him the power to take any teams draft pick away at will. He does have this now but put on a dog and pony show to get it done with bounty-gate.

Unlike you i am uneasy about giving good ole Roger any more power than what he already has, it would be after all at his discretion and we all know how well appeals work in the NFL (has anything EVER been reduced ... nope). Followed bounty-gate plenty enough to know this is an awful idea!

The punishments being levied are enough as they stand. You will see suspensions come from the Tampa game... per Adam Schefner.
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You're right lets give him the power to take any teams draft pick away at will. He does have this now but put on a dog and pony show to get it done with bounty-gate.

Unlike you i am uneasy about giving good ole Roger any more power than what he already has, it would be after all at his discretion and we all know how well appeals work in the NFL (has anything EVER been reduced ... nope). Followed bounty-gate plenty enough to know this is an awful idea!

The punishments being levied are enough as they stand. You will see suspensions come from the Tampa game... per Adam Schefner.
Some of these hits are not about fines... They are about broken necks, ended careers, and death.

I'm more interested in stopping them than the BS fines and suspensions.


You know how well that frikken system works?

" Since 2010, Bucs S Dashon Goldson has 15 personal fouls, more than any NFL player."

"Last week, Goldson revealed he was fined for his hit on Jets' tight end Jeff Cumberland. The hit resulted in Cumberland getting stitches on his chin. The amount of the fine was $30,000.

Goldson is no stranger to getting fined by the league. In his career, he has totaled $107,000 in fines from the league office. After last week's game, Schiano hinted that the team's physical nature would not change and it showed Sunday."


"As it stands", your system ain't workin bro.

And this coach is driving it, and condoning it.

"“We’re going to try to aim for the strike zone, which is what we talk about all the time,” Schiano said after Week 1. “We have videos that we show and we’re just going to have to try to be better at it. But again, I want us flying around the way we flew around yesterday because that was as hard a hitting a Bucs defense as has been here in a long time. So we’re going to keep doing it, we just have to keep doing it within the framework.”

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Some of these hits are not about fines... They are about broken necks, ended careers, and death.

I'm more interested in stopping them than the BS fines and suspensions.


You know how well that frikken system works?

" Since 2010, Bucs S Dashon Goldson has 15 personal fouls, more than any NFL player."

"Last week, Goldson revealed he was fined for his hit on Jets' tight end Jeff Cumberland. The hit resulted in Cumberland getting stitches on his chin. The amount of the fine was $30,000.

Goldson is no stranger to getting fined by the league. In his career, he has totaled $107,000 in fines from the league office. After last week's game, Schiano hinted that the team's physical nature would not change and it showed Sunday."


"As it stands", your system ain't workin bro.

And this coach is driving it, and condoning it.

"“We’re going to try to aim for the strike zone, which is what we talk about all the time,” Schiano said after Week 1. “We have videos that we show and we’re just going to have to try to be better at it. But again, I want us flying around the way we flew around yesterday because that was as hard a hitting a Bucs defense as has been here in a long time. So we’re going to keep doing it, we just have to keep doing it within the framework.”
Goldson was just suspended for 1 game... The league is taking a tougher stance on these hits. I don't disagree that Schiano need to be looked into as far as bounties/targeting players.

Either way Schiano has assured himself of being fired after this season. The most unprofessional coach this league has ever seen.
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The fines shouldn't be a fixed number - they should fine a fixed percentage of a salary.
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