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Danno 10-14-2013 08:59 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by exile (Post 538305)
No doubt the refs handed this one to the home team. I thought the Pats did an excellent job with their defensive calls. But look, unless I know more about the rules than the refs, they cooked it for the Pats. That offside penalty (which should have been the correct call) baked the cake. That was like watching the bad actors on some of these "reality" shows. Obvious to the point of nausea.
Agreed, but I look at it this way... even with the vast majority of calls in New England's favor, and the Saints having back-to-back road games (a killer), playing one of the AFC's leading Superbowl contenders coming off a loss, it still took a last second miracle with a blatent offensive hold for them to pull off the win.

We have 10 games left, and I don't see more than 3 or 4 losses.

We'll finish 11-5, maybe 12-4 if we get a few bounces our way.

We'll finish 15-1 if we get the same kind of favoritism New England got yesterday.

jeanpierre 10-14-2013 09:10 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by exile (Post 538310)
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images...age_normal.jpg Mike PereiraVerified account ‏@MikePereira

Some questioning the hit across the middle in New England, It was a shoulder to the chest. No head or neck contact. Not a foul.
Nice Catch Exile!

jeanpierre 10-14-2013 09:11 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 538311)
Agreed, but I look at it this way... even with the vast majority of calls in New England's favor, and the Saints having back-to-back road games (a killer), playing one of the AFC's leading Superbowl contenders coming off a loss, it still took a last second miracle with a blatent offensive hold for them to pull off the win.
Good Call - we're definitely on everyone's radar now...

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 538311)
We have 10 games left, and I don't see more than 3 or 4 losses.

We'll finish 11-5, maybe 12-4 if we get a few bounces our way.

We'll finish 15-1 if we get the same kind of favoritism New England got yesterday.
We're going 13-3 barring major injury...

jeanpierre 10-14-2013 09:13 AM
Re: i thought I was pissed at the refs before, check this out
 
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Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN (Post 538211)
I'll be pissed for at least 2 weeks. I feel like giving a Denny Green speech. we let them off the hook and afc team or not it sucks.

mostly cause I f--king hate that GQ mfer
Tell us how you really feel...

SloMotion 10-14-2013 09:20 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by exile (Post 538310)
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images...age_normal.jpg Mike PereiraVerified account ‏@MikePereira

Some questioning the hit across the middle in New England, It was a shoulder to the chest. No head or neck contact. Not a foul.
Yeah, but there was shoulder-to-helmet contact/defenseless player and I see why they called it, though I vehemently disagree with them calling that one, :burn: ... it was so obvious Bush was doing everything in his power not to put a flagrant hit on the guy but still do the job the Saints sent him out there to do ... poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.

TheOak 10-14-2013 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 538322)
Yeah, but there was shoulder-to-helmet contact/defenseless player and I see why they called it, though I vehemently disagree with them calling that one, :burn: ... it was so obvious Bush was doing everything in his power not to put a flagrant hit on the guy but still do the job the Saints sent him out there to do ... poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.
The shoulder to helmet contact was not from a shoulder going into the side of the helmet, it was from the helmet going into the shoulder as the defender was right in front of him. There is a difference there.

exile 10-14-2013 09:22 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 538322)
poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.
Or just inept at their jobs.
https://s-media-cache-ec2.pinimg.com...gS7dVSil_c.jpg

SloMotion 10-14-2013 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 538323)
The shoulder to helmet contact was not from a shoulder going into the side of the helmet, it was from the helmet going into the shoulder as the defender was right in front of him. There is a difference there.
Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument? :lol:

TheOak 10-14-2013 11:44 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 538326)
Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument? :lol:
There is a lot of sassy floating around here for a Monday.

SloMotion 10-14-2013 11:49 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 538364)
There is a lot of sassy floating around here for a Monday.
I know, Caddieman even showed up and took a poke at me, :rofl: ... appropriately in the Ultimate Smack Talk forum and according to board policy, I might add, ;).

http://blackandgold.com/showthread.p...355#post538355

SaintsBro 10-14-2013 12:16 PM
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I just automatically assume that all refs are against the Saints, permanently, and it's completely hostile, 11 against 18, you have to beat the other team AND the refs, every time the Saints step on the field. I mean pointing out obvious mistakes is fine, but bellyaching and making a case that it influenced the outcome of the game, "we wuz robbed," etc, I just don't understand that kind of thinking after a loss. You have to beat the refs and the other team, in every game, it's always been like that.

There was nothing in this game anywhere remotely close to an "INTERTOUCHDOWNCEPTION" screwup like the famous Packers/Seahawks game, so there's no reason to bellyache. Although the Drew pick was a definite busted play, you could tell because portions of both the Saints and the Patriots were NOT reacting to the snap of the ball.

It is a common thing for refs to "clip the wings" of a superior team, or to give a little "home cooking" to the home team, or to give "Golden Boy Superstar" the calls he wants or needs, whether it's Brady or Clay Matthews or even Brees. That happens all the time.

Back to Jeanpierre's original point, there is also ref home cooking especially in a game like the Bears game, where a superior team is starting to separate and clearly run away with the game against the home team, early on. Which is what was happening against the Bears. Then the refs will gently "clip the wings" of the team that's starting to run away with the game, and say "nope, can't keep doing that," to slow the faster, better team down and give the other losing team a shot. That happens all the time, and not just with the Saints. But that's where stuff like your bad spots and your ticky tacky holding calls come into play.

UK_WhoDat 10-14-2013 02:03 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 538273)
Since 2009, he’s worked one New England game per season — all of them wins for the Patriots. - per WEEI (An Over the Top 24/7 Sports Talk, News Station in New England...

It Is What It Is » Report: Tony Corrente will work as referee for Patriots-Saints
And that is despite the fact that the Corrente officiating krewe did not always give less penalties against New England and that New England have been a relative powerhouse overall in that period.
Tony Corrente NFL Official Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

jeanpierre 10-14-2013 06:26 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 538406)
And that is despite the fact that the Corrente officiating krewe did not always give less penalties against New England and that New England have been a relative powerhouse overall in that period.
Tony Corrente NFL Official Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
Good Catch UK WhoDat...

Saintsince88 10-15-2013 07:02 PM
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Why was the timeout brees called that didn't get awarded factor into the game? 2 reasons
1. They get a pick that leads to 3 points
2. We lost by 3!
Also the offsides that was called a false start would've put us in field goal range if we wouldn't have gained another yard!
AGAIN WE LOST BY 3!!! 6 point swing on that one mistake by the REFS!!

WHODATINCA 10-15-2013 08:01 PM
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What I notice is that if a team wins -- no one from the winning team discusses questionable or clearly unfair play calling by the officials. Seems to me everyone needs to get in the complaint department line to talk about poor officiating after a game -- especially the winning team. What would happen if Bill Belicheck after the game said, "We need to review some of the officials calls....I think they gave us the game." Until that happens, I agree that complaining about the officiating is probably pointless.

However, that does not mean that poor play calling doesn't matter or have an impact. We all know the infinitesimal margin of error between winning and losing in games between two well matched teams. A few key plays generally turn a game. Why do we let coaches challenge official's calls? Because, it matters.

So, yes, we need to complain -- and not just the losers.

Vrillon82 10-15-2013 11:24 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 538830)
What I notice is that if a team wins -- no one from the winning team discusses questionable or clearly unfair play calling by the officials. Seems to me everyone needs to get in the complaint department line to talk about poor officiating after a game -- especially the winning team. What would happen if Bill Belicheck after the game said, "We need to review some of the officials calls....I think they gave us the game." Until that happens, I agree that complaining about the officiating is probably pointless.

However, that does not mean that poor play calling doesn't matter or have an impact. We all know the infinitesimal margin of error between winning and losing in games between two well matched teams. A few key plays generally turn a game. Why do we let coaches challenge official's calls? Because, it matters.

So, yes, we need to complain -- and not just the losers.
I think the poor officiating is a result of a couple things.

#1 - No one wants to see replacement refs.

#2 - Current refs I feel have a stranglehold on the NFL and can do as they please, which could explain how bias they are to 1 team in any given game. This of course speaking after the ref lockout that happened last season.

After that point, its been pretty forgone conclusion that they been siding with 1 team since that point last year, its pretty much put both San Fran and Baltimore into the SB last year as well.

SloMotion 10-16-2013 05:07 AM
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It's kinda' like that in all sports ... Michael Jordan used to get the calls, Wayne Gretzky and now that wus Sydney Crosby, the strike zone is smaller for some batters and larger for some pitchers ... it is what it is, :rolleyes:.

I watch a lot of games on Sunday and there's questionable calls/non-calls in every game. What I don't like seeing is the increase in what I perceive as "make-up" calls, most notably in the pass interference area, where the refs miss an obvious PI call on one play, then call PI on another play that's close, but not PI. Half the time, there's no flag on a play until after a coach or player starts screaming at a ref for the call.

As it's been noted, it's becoming almost impossible to defend a pass and there's been an increase in knee hits/injuries to receivers as everyone tries to adjust to the new 'player safety' mindset.

Lotta' split-second decision making on a myriad of rules/regulations going on out there, there's gonna' be mistakes ...

jeanpierre 10-16-2013 07:46 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 538877)
What I don't like seeing is the increase in what I perceive as "make-up" calls, most notably in the pass interference area, where the refs miss an obvious PI call on one play, then call PI on another play that's close, but not PI.
Yes, Yes. Let's solve a mistake by making another - kinda like our government...

Mardigras9 10-16-2013 08:26 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
The Refs usually miss a lot on both teams, but the blatant holding on the game winning pass was ridiculous.

xan 10-16-2013 09:00 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 538326)
Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument? :lol:
hehe

jeanpierre 10-17-2013 06:42 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
Keeping in mind that the League not only sets the schedule, but who stirs the pot...

Football Zebras | Analysis and commentary of the NFL's officials and the calls they make

Went back and found these...

NFL doesn’t always put the highest-graded officials in the Super Bowl | ProFootballTalk

Y! SPORTS

jeanpierre 10-17-2013 02:12 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3384233/patriotway.gif

What I want to know is what's T Nate Solder's Right Hand Doing?!?

K Major 10-17-2013 02:38 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 539068)
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3384233/patriotway.gif

What I want to know is what's T Nate Solder's Right Hand Doing?!?
Boy, talk about being mugged.

jeanpierre 10-18-2013 05:53 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 539079)
Boy, talk about being mugged.
I know, I've got several friends from that area who were talking smack...

Emailed a list of questionable calls punctuated with the link of the Solder hold - they shut it...

Even they said it was pretty bad and remembered getting the 'home cooking' against the NY teams...

The part that get's me is the BS defense that the refs view was blocked - now that was incredible to hear...

How can the referee who stands to the rear of the offensive backfield who's responsible for that very call not pull the flag?!?

whybag 10-18-2013 09:56 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 539068)
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3384233/patriotway.gif

What I want to know is what's T Nate Solder's Right Hand Doing?!?
The first guy on that football zebras was pretty off.
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This block certainly appears to be a hold, but what you must consider is the timing of the action. As Tom Brady releases the pass, the defender gets twisted, and normally a call would not be made for this action, since it occurs just as the pass is being released.
The "holding" wasn't just the armbar, he had a hold on Galette's jersey the entire time, and wrapped him up more the further he got. The entire play was a hold, saying it came "as the ball was released" completely misses it. Probably the worst call made the entire weekend.

jeanpierre 10-21-2013 06:17 AM
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Amazed after last weekends game Belichick has the nerve to complain about referees' calls...

Bill Belichick doesn't think New England Patriots committed penalty on controversial play in loss to New York Jets - ESPN Boston

Rugby Saint II 10-21-2013 03:37 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
Can Godhell really influence the officiating?

jeanpierre 10-21-2013 07:27 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 539936)
Can Godhell really influence the officiating?
Read the link in this thread how the ref that got the last Superbowl had his grades adjusted and several "unnamed" contemporaries were not happy with the league doing same...

Would the league give specific instructions?!? Can't imagine they'd be that stupid

But I'd like to see a study re: officiating getting zealous when one team starts to pull away early in a game of the week that needs ratings...

But I've no doubt that in some of those guys minds, they may conceive perceptions that the League has certain markets they favor and getting those premium post-season assignments are their carrot...

jeanpierre 10-28-2013 10:28 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
Wanted to comment on the officiating yesterday - it pretty much sucked it, for BOTH teams...

Fred Jackson scored (and no, he's not on my FNFL roster), but the Bills made it moot...

The thing that irritated me with the calls on Brees is it's fine if you're gonna call it tight, but, c'mon Alice, spread the mayo on both slices of the bun...

Bills Center, Eric Wood, drew our defense on an encroachment penalty he created by "pumping", or simulating a snap, I thought that too should have been called and wasn't...

And to ask for the ref to ask, and re-ask, the official that threw the flag on the blatant facemask against Drew, well, that was pretty pathetic...

saintsfan1976 10-28-2013 10:34 AM
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I was watching the Pats game yesterday and man, were they getting some incredibly generous calls again....

Seer1 10-28-2013 10:36 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
I try to stay away from complaining about the stripes, but yesterday was really bad. I'd say this is the crew headin' to the Superbowl.

exile 10-28-2013 10:43 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
I really really like hating the Patriots and think we got messed up by the refs in our game. However, I can't agree with all of the so called "cooked" calls. This looks like a good call to me.

Y! SPORTS

jeanpierre 10-28-2013 10:54 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 542058)
I was watching the Pats game yesterday and man, were they getting some incredibly generous calls again....
One of my best friends is from Wellesley, Mass and he called me about the Red Sox and other Boston sports talk...

He decided to goad me some more by mentioning the officiating in yesterday's game and acknowledged what you're saying -

"Kraft and Belichick are greasing 'em like votes in Chicago..."

Thought that was pretty funny; annoying, but funny...

exile 10-28-2013 03:44 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
No, really, no need to apologize.

"Raiders defensive coordinator Jason Tarver, caught on camera giving NFL officials an obscene gesture, gave the following statement Monday:"

Tarver apologizes for gesture - Inside the Oakland Raiders - A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group

SloMotion 10-28-2013 04:38 PM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by exile (Post 542188)
No, really, no need to apologize.

"Raiders defensive coordinator Jason Tarver, caught on camera giving NFL officials an obscene gesture, gave the following statement Monday:"

Tarver apologizes for gesture - Inside the Oakland Raiders - A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group
It's the Raiders, for crissake ... you expect obscene gestures from the coaching staff, :lol:.

jeanpierre 10-30-2013 06:15 AM
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Well we got some love about the officiating from some main stream media...

False start penalties on Drew Brees raise eyebrows | ProFootballTalk

jeanpierre 10-30-2013 06:29 AM
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Saints fans react to bad officiating (with images, tweets) · NOLANews · Storify

Got some good ones here too...

saintsfan1976 10-30-2013 07:10 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 542065)
One of my best friends is from Wellesley, Mass and he called me about the Red Sox and other Boston sports talk...

He decided to goad me some more by mentioning the officiating in yesterday's game and acknowledged what you're saying -

"Kraft and Belichick are greasing 'em like votes in Chicago..."

Thought that was pretty funny; annoying, but funny...
The phantom call on Gronk over the middle was ridiculous

jeanpierre 11-01-2013 09:09 AM
Re: Refs: Home Cooking?
 
The one facet of the NY Jets game that worries me most because we have no control over it - OFFICIATING...

And this is the Jets, worse than Rome during its empire days, what will the emperor Julius Gaius Rodgus Goodellius do to "keep the game close for his New York mob?!?"

jeanpierre 11-02-2013 02:41 PM
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Per Football Zebras, the Week 9 referee assignments

Referee Clete Blakeman
Umpire Garth DeFelice
Head Linesman Tony Veteri
Line Judge Ron Marinucci
Field Judge Dave Meslow
Side Judge Greg Meyer
Back Judge Terrence Miles


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