Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot

Halo · 10-14-2013, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You guys are going to kill me for this.

I think it would do the offense good if Graham sat out a game or two. He is an amazing, amazing player but we have come to lean on him too much. This might be a chance to get the offense back into balance.

I wouldn't kill you. WTF happened to Colston?? Where is Meachum other than "SUPRISE, we're going deep to Meach!"?? What happened to spreading the ball around to several different receivers during the game?

Too much emphasis on Graham for 2.5 quarters of the game. When we started running the ball (and we did so with authority) is when we started winning the game. I think our ole ball coach Payton is a little rusty on the playcalls.

dizzle88 · 10-14-2013, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I wouldn't kill you. WTF happened to Colston?? Where is Meachum other than "SUPRISE, we're going deep to Meach!"?? What happened to spreading the ball around to several different receivers during the game?

Too much emphasis on Graham for 2.5 quarters of the game. When we started running the ball (and we did so with authority) is when we started winning the game. I think our ole ball coach Payton is a little rusty on the playcalls.

Offense has become predictable my friend, when meachem is in he runs a post route or run blocks

When graham is outwide he runs a slant or a fade, when colston is in he runs a seam route from the slot

We could all guess 10 plays and im guessing from the formations, we'd get 8 of them right

UK_WhoDat · 10-14-2013, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Offense has become predictable my friend, when meachem is in he runs a post route or run blocks

When graham is out wide he runs a slant or a fade, when colston is in he runs a seam route from the slot

We could all guess 10 plays and im guessing from the formations, we'd get 8 of them right

True dat. Not mention when Ingram is in that ....

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Maybe drew was starring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or

if only that was true, for despite how good the mauling Patriots D, there were guys open that Brees checkdown "failed" to identify.

Originally Posted by Boutte

.... Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. ....

And some drug it is, rarely failing to give a high this year. Overdosing on Graham last night proved fatal.

mike27 · 10-16-2013, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You guys are going to kill me for this.

I think it would do the offense good if Graham sat out a game or two. He is an amazing, amazing player but we have come to lean on him too much. This might be a chance to get the offense back into balance.

I think you are exactly correct--but to be fair, Brees does spread the ball around pretty well, maybe this year slightly less.

I suppose this was a humbling week for Graham and his salary negotiations then. I suppose he should get paid at least as much as the best though. It seems like he should've made a few of those catches, but was kind of hot-dogging it, one-handing the ball.

But let's face it, the offense started very sluggishly, then the last two series they totally changed tactics, ran the ball six times. They knew they needed a first down, at least one, and I think maybe a screen pass, or something rather than a straight run should've been called, even with the interception risk. Runs have been shut down somewhere between 0 and -1 yards all year.

AsylumGuido · 10-16-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by mike27

I think you are exactly correct--but to be fair, Brees does spread the ball around pretty well, maybe this year slightly less.

I suppose this was a humbling week for Graham and his salary negotiations then. I suppose he should get paid at least as much as the best though. It seems like he should've made a few of those catches, but was kind of hot-dogging it, one-handing the ball.

But let's face it, the offense started very sluggishly, then the last two series they totally changed tactics, ran the ball six times. They knew they needed a first down, at least one, and I think maybe a screen pass, or something rather than a straight run should've been called, even with the interception risk. Runs have been shut down somewhere between 0 and -1 yards all year.

That wasn't hot-dogging. Talib, usually had hold of the other arm.

dueceloose · 10-14-2013, 02:55 PM

Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc.

TheOak · 10-14-2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc.

Why would anyone complain over a completed pass? Given it was completed to a Saints WR....

Jack Vegas · 10-14-2013, 02:59 PM

Hell a lot of times you can tell before the snap.

If Colston is in the slot and the DB is playing off, it's a slant. If Colston lines up wide it's back shoulder to the sideline. If Moore is on the field it's a drag or buttonhook to the middle. If Graham is lined up tight with no WR on his side, its a quick out. If Graham is tight with a receiver on his side, it's a seam route. If Sproles is lined up to the side of Brees, it's a quick flare pass. If PT is lined up deep, it's a screen. etc. etc. We've been watching the same exact plays for years and years. It's all disguised with motions and different personnel packages and whatnot, but it's the same very basic plays over and over.

Boutte · 10-14-2013, 03:00 PM

Gotta agree. Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. We used to come out of long drives and there were 6 guys who caught a pass. They might as well just sit Colston. He's lucky to get four looks a game these days. The game plan seems to be look for Graham 1st look for Graham 2nd look for Graham 3 then check down or throw it away.

That screen is getting worn out too.

TheOak · 10-14-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Gotta agree. Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. We used to come out of long drives and there were 6 guys who caught a pass. They might as well just sit Colston. He's lucky to get four looks a game these days. The game plan seems to be look for Graham 1st look for Graham 2nd look for Graham 3 then check down or throw it away.

That screen is getting worn out too.

Colston = 3 targets against Patriots, 2 against Chicago

That's 5 total in 2 Games. Lowest target # in any other single game this season 6 against Atlanta.

10-14-2013, 02:28 PM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,861 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You guys are going to kill me for this. I think it would do the offense good if Graham sat out a game or two. He is an amazing, amazing player but we have come to lean on him too much. This might be a chance to get the offense back into balance. I wouldn't kill you. WTF happened to Colston?? Where is Meachum other than "SUPRISE, we're going deep to Meach!"?? What happened to spreading the ball around to several different receivers during the game? Too much emphasis on Graham for 2.5 quarters of the game. When we started running the ball (and we did so with authority) is when we started winning the game. I think our ole ball coach Payton is a little rusty on the playcalls. Rueben Mayes, MarchingOn and WHODATINCA like this.

10-14-2013, 02:31 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,521	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by Halo I wouldn't kill you. WTF happened to Colston?? Where is Meachum other than "SUPRISE, we're going deep to Meach!"?? What happened to spreading the ball around to several different receivers during the game? Too much emphasis on Graham for 2.5 quarters of the game. When we started running the ball (and we did so with authority) is when we started winning the game. I think our ole ball coach Payton is a little rusty on the playcalls. Offense has become predictable my friend, when meachem is in he runs a post route or run blocks When graham is outwide he runs a slant or a fade, when colston is in he runs a seam route from the slot We could all guess 10 plays and im guessing from the formations, we'd get 8 of them right

10-14-2013, 03:35 PM	#3
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by dizzle88 Offense has become predictable my friend, when meachem is in he runs a post route or run blocks When graham is out wide he runs a slant or a fade, when colston is in he runs a seam route from the slot We could all guess 10 plays and im guessing from the formations, we'd get 8 of them right True dat. Not mention when Ingram is in that .... Originally Posted by dueceloose Maybe drew was starring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or if only that was true, for despite how good the mauling Patriots D, there were guys open that Brees checkdown "failed" to identify. Originally Posted by Boutte .... Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. .... And some drug it is, rarely failing to give a high this year. Overdosing on Graham last night proved fatal.

10-16-2013, 11:01 AM	#4
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You guys are going to kill me for this. I think it would do the offense good if Graham sat out a game or two. He is an amazing, amazing player but we have come to lean on him too much. This might be a chance to get the offense back into balance. I think you are exactly correct--but to be fair, Brees does spread the ball around pretty well, maybe this year slightly less. I suppose this was a humbling week for Graham and his salary negotiations then. I suppose he should get paid at least as much as the best though. It seems like he should've made a few of those catches, but was kind of hot-dogging it, one-handing the ball. But let's face it, the offense started very sluggishly, then the last two series they totally changed tactics, ran the ball six times. They knew they needed a first down, at least one, and I think maybe a screen pass, or something rather than a straight run should've been called, even with the interception risk. Runs have been shut down somewhere between 0 and -1 yards all year.

10-16-2013, 11:12 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,553	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by mike27 I think you are exactly correct--but to be fair, Brees does spread the ball around pretty well, maybe this year slightly less. I suppose this was a humbling week for Graham and his salary negotiations then. I suppose he should get paid at least as much as the best though. It seems like he should've made a few of those catches, but was kind of hot-dogging it, one-handing the ball. But let's face it, the offense started very sluggishly, then the last two series they totally changed tactics, ran the ball six times. They knew they needed a first down, at least one, and I think maybe a screen pass, or something rather than a straight run should've been called, even with the interception risk. Runs have been shut down somewhere between 0 and -1 yards all year. That wasn't hot-dogging. Talib, usually had hold of the other arm. Rugby Saint II and TheOak like this.

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dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc.
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10-14-2013, 02:57 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by dueceloose Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc. Why would anyone complain over a completed pass? Given it was completed to a Saints WR....

10-14-2013, 02:59 PM	#8
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Hell a lot of times you can tell before the snap. If Colston is in the slot and the DB is playing off, it's a slant. If Colston lines up wide it's back shoulder to the sideline. If Moore is on the field it's a drag or buttonhook to the middle. If Graham is lined up tight with no WR on his side, its a quick out. If Graham is tight with a receiver on his side, it's a seam route. If Sproles is lined up to the side of Brees, it's a quick flare pass. If PT is lined up deep, it's a screen. etc. etc. We've been watching the same exact plays for years and years. It's all disguised with motions and different personnel packages and whatnot, but it's the same very basic plays over and over.
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10-14-2013, 03:00 PM	#9
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Gotta agree. Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. We used to come out of long drives and there were 6 guys who caught a pass. They might as well just sit Colston. He's lucky to get four looks a game these days. The game plan seems to be look for Graham 1st look for Graham 2nd look for Graham 3 then check down or throw it away. That screen is getting worn out too. Halo likes this.

10-14-2013, 03:47 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by Boutte Gotta agree. Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. We used to come out of long drives and there were 6 guys who caught a pass. They might as well just sit Colston. He's lucky to get four looks a game these days. The game plan seems to be look for Graham 1st look for Graham 2nd look for Graham 3 then check down or throw it away. That screen is getting worn out too. Colston = 3 targets against Patriots, 2 against Chicago That's 5 total in 2 Games. Lowest target # in any other single game this season 6 against Atlanta. MarchingOn likes this.

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