Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot

10-14-2013, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I hope it isnt serious but brees cannot just stare down jimmy every play, first 2 quarters we were completely transparent and predictable

Speaking of staring down.. How is it that with out in-depth knowledge of the Saints offensive play book I know where the ball is going with in 1.5s of the snap?

xan · 10-14-2013, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Speaking of staring down.. How is it that with out in-depth knowledge of the Saints offensive play book I know where the ball is going with in 1.5s of the snap?

It takes you that long???

dueceloose · 10-14-2013, 03:55 PM

Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc.

TheOak · 10-14-2013, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc.

Why would anyone complain over a completed pass? Given it was completed to a Saints WR....

Jack Vegas · 10-14-2013, 03:59 PM

Hell a lot of times you can tell before the snap.

If Colston is in the slot and the DB is playing off, it's a slant. If Colston lines up wide it's back shoulder to the sideline. If Moore is on the field it's a drag or buttonhook to the middle. If Graham is lined up tight with no WR on his side, its a quick out. If Graham is tight with a receiver on his side, it's a seam route. If Sproles is lined up to the side of Brees, it's a quick flare pass. If PT is lined up deep, it's a screen. etc. etc. We've been watching the same exact plays for years and years. It's all disguised with motions and different personnel packages and whatnot, but it's the same very basic plays over and over.

Boutte · 10-14-2013, 04:00 PM

Gotta agree. Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. We used to come out of long drives and there were 6 guys who caught a pass. They might as well just sit Colston. He's lucky to get four looks a game these days. The game plan seems to be look for Graham 1st look for Graham 2nd look for Graham 3 then check down or throw it away.

That screen is getting worn out too.

Jack Vegas · 10-14-2013, 04:05 PM

I actually think the solution might be to put Graham and Watson both on the same side of the field at the same time more often. If Graham is going to keep drawing so much double coverage then it will put Watson on a linebacker and he'll beat that most of the time. Getting Moore back will help a ton too.

xan · 10-14-2013, 04:09 PM

Is that why we tried the naked boot and the pitch to the short side in the last drive?

|Mitch| · 10-14-2013, 04:10 PM

I actually think yesterday it was more ego than anything else.

Talib and the Pats said they had the answer for Graham, it seemed Payton/Brees kept trying to prove them wrong...

UK_WhoDat · 10-14-2013, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Offense has become predictable my friend, when meachem is in he runs a post route or run blocks

When graham is out wide he runs a slant or a fade, when colston is in he runs a seam route from the slot

We could all guess 10 plays and im guessing from the formations, we'd get 8 of them right

True dat. Not mention when Ingram is in that ....

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Maybe drew was starring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or

if only that was true, for despite how good the mauling Patriots D, there were guys open that Brees checkdown "failed" to identify.

Originally Posted by Boutte

.... Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. ....

And some drug it is, rarely failing to give a high this year. Overdosing on Graham last night proved fatal.

10-14-2013, 03:45 PM	#11
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by dizzle88 I hope it isnt serious but brees cannot just stare down jimmy every play, first 2 quarters we were completely transparent and predictable Speaking of staring down.. How is it that with out in-depth knowledge of the Saints offensive play book I know where the ball is going with in 1.5s of the snap? Halo, xan and AlaskaSaints like this.
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10-14-2013, 03:55 PM	#12
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by TheOak Speaking of staring down.. How is it that with out in-depth knowledge of the Saints offensive play book I know where the ball is going with in 1.5s of the snap? It takes you that long??? Halo likes this.

10-14-2013, 03:55 PM	#13
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc.
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10-14-2013, 03:57 PM	#14
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by dueceloose Maybe drew was staring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or trying to attract more attention to him and way from another target. No one would be complaing if jimmy was catching them when drew is staring him down. I think our offense would take a step back without jimmy or maybe a step in another direction.. Maybe running more or more screens etc. Why would anyone complain over a completed pass? Given it was completed to a Saints WR....

10-14-2013, 03:59 PM	#15
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Hell a lot of times you can tell before the snap. If Colston is in the slot and the DB is playing off, it's a slant. If Colston lines up wide it's back shoulder to the sideline. If Moore is on the field it's a drag or buttonhook to the middle. If Graham is lined up tight with no WR on his side, its a quick out. If Graham is tight with a receiver on his side, it's a seam route. If Sproles is lined up to the side of Brees, it's a quick flare pass. If PT is lined up deep, it's a screen. etc. etc. We've been watching the same exact plays for years and years. It's all disguised with motions and different personnel packages and whatnot, but it's the same very basic plays over and over.
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10-14-2013, 04:00 PM	#16
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Gotta agree. Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. We used to come out of long drives and there were 6 guys who caught a pass. They might as well just sit Colston. He's lucky to get four looks a game these days. The game plan seems to be look for Graham 1st look for Graham 2nd look for Graham 3 then check down or throw it away. That screen is getting worn out too. Halo likes this.

10-14-2013, 04:05 PM	#17
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot I actually think the solution might be to put Graham and Watson both on the same side of the field at the same time more often. If Graham is going to keep drawing so much double coverage then it will put Watson on a linebacker and he'll beat that most of the time. Getting Moore back will help a ton too. neugey and MarchingOn like this.
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10-14-2013, 04:09 PM	#18
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Is that why we tried the naked boot and the pitch to the short side in the last drive?

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot I actually think yesterday it was more ego than anything else. Talib and the Pats said they had the answer for Graham, it seemed Payton/Brees kept trying to prove them wrong... Beastmode, SloMotion and MarchingOn like this.

10-14-2013, 04:35 PM	#20
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,983	Re: Jimmy Graham getting an MRI on his foot Originally Posted by dizzle88 Offense has become predictable my friend, when meachem is in he runs a post route or run blocks When graham is out wide he runs a slant or a fade, when colston is in he runs a seam route from the slot We could all guess 10 plays and im guessing from the formations, we'd get 8 of them right True dat. Not mention when Ingram is in that .... Originally Posted by dueceloose Maybe drew was starring down jimmy because no one else was getting open or if only that was true, for despite how good the mauling Patriots D, there were guys open that Brees checkdown "failed" to identify. Originally Posted by Boutte .... Graham is like a drug habit for Payton and Brees. .... And some drug it is, rarely failing to give a high this year. Overdosing on Graham last night proved fatal.

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