Danno, I read your posts and respect your football knowledge in general and especially about this team. I have learned alot from your observations. And, I'm wondering if you could take the perspective ( especially after a loss ) that these people who are "obsessing" are actually just expressing a sincere concern about a team they love. And are just trying to figure out how to solve the problems ( because even if no one on the team reads this forum ) it still feels better than doing nothing.

That's the way I read their perspective. I also enjoy the analysis. Even if we were winning every game -- there would still be problem areas. I think this forum would be much less interesting if we didn't discuss them.

Honest discussion and objective criticism is exactly what I'd love to see.

But I'm not gonna join in the "we suck" noise because we played a bad game. I'm not dumb enough to claim we aren't a playoff team as we sit here at 6-2 with Drew Brees as our QB, a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense.

I look around the league and all of the top teams in the NFC have issues. San Fran looks like the top dog right now but that can change in an instant.

Seattle? Green Bay? Both have issues and have looked bad at times this year.

I will in no way apologize for ridiculing Club Pity Party. They're a bunch of whiners and losers and I really don't care for that. Its just not my thing.

But this board takes all kinds and I guess misery loves company. I'm not asking anyone be banned, just expressing my opinion about what I consider fair weather fans who constantly harp on the negatives.

If they don't like it, there's a really easy to use ignore feature. I have a couple on there and am considering a couple more. They add nothing worthy to the discussion.

Thanks for responding, Danno. I wasn't asking you for an apology. The request was to see if you could look at some poster's critical analysis a different way. Calling them ( which includes me ) "Club Pity Party" is not quite the perspective I am suggesting.

Constructive criticism has a *point* ..... an objective. The objective that I see these posters ( I'll call them the Constructive Criticizers ), as having is: a) to satisfy their desire to support their team by analyzing team weaknesses and offering the product of that analysis in an online forum ( even if no one on the team will ever read it ) and b) engaging in a satisfying theoretical debate about a topic of mutual interest.

Or you could just use your ignore button. Whatever works. Hope your day goes well, man.

I apologize (I know you aren't asking for one) if I grouped you into Club Pity Party by mistake.

You have to admit the "we suck" crowd got out of hand after the game and I ridiculed it appropriately. I did not mean to throw the objective critics into that group, but it was all happening so fast I really didn't care to differentiate between the two.

Objective criticism? - I'm all for it and if you search my posts you'll find I did my fair share of it.

Over the top criticism? - I enjoy ridiculing it. Its one of my Saints forum character flaws I guess.

I will admit I saw one or two posts which surprised me, yes. But, I kinda wrote it off as "post-loss PTSD".

I get how years of that sort of whinging can get old. See: Whinger Australians: whingers and worriers

But, hey, to me, it is all part of the game -- and I am from NOLA so unexpected behavior is normal. Does that mean I have PTSD?