We should know who we are

pherein · 11-04-2013, 12:16 AM

yeah just pisses me off. We a clearly better than that team. Jets offense is not good.

darstep · 11-04-2013, 12:20 AM

Payton has been and still is "Pass Happy".
He has been spoiled by his success with throwing the ball with Brees.
There hasn't been a real commitment to the run since Duece,
and even then running the ball was more of an after thought than basic design.
I just don't understand how they can't see the benefit to Brees if we CAN run the ball.
Especially when it comes to trying to help protect our investment and extend
Brees' career well into the next 3 years or so of his deal.
We can't even use the "behind, trying to catch up" excuse today.
I (we) love Payton, but we have to live with his unwillingness to run the ball.

saintsfan403 · 11-04-2013, 12:56 AM

This is thread is so much better than every other one that's active right now. I just want to thank y'all for having a level headed discussion

hagan714 · 11-04-2013, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

The Jets can be a very good team when they're on. The O stinks but the D is top notch.

beg to differ on the OL the jets have a solid OL. but like the saints they are missing a few pieces or waiting for the unit to gel.

give some props to the DL here. once again they did a solid job. LB were so so as whole and we really missed our safeties.

thank god we face a rookie qb

dizzle88 · 11-04-2013, 04:36 AM

3 of 11 on third down, time to give up the reigns SP

Let carmichael take over

dizzle88 · 11-04-2013, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

Payton has been and still is "Pass Happy".
He has been spoiled by his success with throwing the ball with Brees.
There hasn't been a real commitment to the run since Duece,
and even then running the ball was more of an after thought than basic design.
I just don't understand how they can't see the benefit to Brees if we CAN run the ball.
Especially when it comes to trying to help protect our investment and extend
Brees' career well into the next 3 years or so of his deal.
We can't even use the "behind, trying to catch up" excuse today.
I (we) love Payton, but we have to live with his unwillingness to run the ball.

Its just like payton has brain farts every other year though

2006 - great running game
2007 - deuce injured, pass happy and drew throws 19 picks
2008 - no running game at all, drew throws 17 picks
2009 - great running game - SB
2010 - Every RB injured, lose to the 7-9 seahawks in the playoffs
2011 - great running game all year long, had about 16 rushing yards vs SF in playoffs and gave up running after the first quarter
2012 - no running game at all until after week 8

QBREES9 · 11-04-2013, 09:05 AM

Chris Ivory, had a great day. I guess he was pissed the Saints let him go.

Budsdrinker · 11-04-2013, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

We've hit the halfway mark and we're sitting at 6-2. We looked bad in todays loss but we were a couple of screw ups away from winning. A couple of weeks ago we were one play away from beating the Pats. In other words we're a couple of plays from 8-0.

But let's not kid ourselves, we're not a dominant football team. We're not as bad as a lot of the knee jerk posters are saying we are either. Our offense is still potent but it's definitely bi-polar. We can't run!

I don't agree with the people who faulted Payton for abandoning the run today. He knows what this offense can and can't do and there was no point in wasting plays and possessions running our RBs into a brick wall. There will be games where running serves a purpose but this wasn't one of them. If either Colston or Sproles played today we win!

The only reason we're one of the best teams in the league is Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Lose either one of those two we're strictly average, if that.

Only thing I disagree with is your statement of Payton abandoning the run. You would first have to run the ball in the first quarter to say you abandon the run.

RaginCajun83 · 11-04-2013, 10:55 AM

Time for Pete to start calling plays again, that 3rd string TE end around on a 4th and one still has me puzzled, really?

exile · 11-04-2013, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Time for Pete to start calling plays again, that 3rd string TE end around on a 4th and one still has me puzzled, really?

The most puzzling part was that it was to Josh Hill. Really? If you are going to call that play use a WR like Stills or Meach. Although, I don't like it in any scenario. Let Drew throw the ball if you aren't confident in your running game.

11-04-2013, 12:16 AM	#11
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: We should know who we are yeah just pisses me off. We a clearly better than that team. Jets offense is not good. saintsfan403 likes this.

11-04-2013, 12:20 AM	#12
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: We should know who we are Payton has been and still is "Pass Happy". He has been spoiled by his success with throwing the ball with Brees. There hasn't been a real commitment to the run since Duece, and even then running the ball was more of an after thought than basic design. I just don't understand how they can't see the benefit to Brees if we CAN run the ball. Especially when it comes to trying to help protect our investment and extend Brees' career well into the next 3 years or so of his deal. We can't even use the "behind, trying to catch up" excuse today. I (we) love Payton, but we have to live with his unwillingness to run the ball. saintsfan403 and WHODATINCA like this.
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11-04-2013, 12:56 AM	#13
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: We should know who we are This is thread is so much better than every other one that's active right now. I just want to thank y'all for having a level headed discussion Garry42 likes this.

11-04-2013, 01:56 AM	#14
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: We should know who we are Originally Posted by Boutte The Jets can be a very good team when they're on. The O stinks but the D is top notch. beg to differ on the OL the jets have a solid OL. but like the saints they are missing a few pieces or waiting for the unit to gel. give some props to the DL here. once again they did a solid job. LB were so so as whole and we really missed our safeties. thank god we face a rookie qb

11-04-2013, 04:36 AM	#15
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11-04-2013, 04:39 AM	#16
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: We should know who we are Originally Posted by darstep Payton has been and still is "Pass Happy". He has been spoiled by his success with throwing the ball with Brees. There hasn't been a real commitment to the run since Duece, and even then running the ball was more of an after thought than basic design. I just don't understand how they can't see the benefit to Brees if we CAN run the ball. Especially when it comes to trying to help protect our investment and extend Brees' career well into the next 3 years or so of his deal. We can't even use the "behind, trying to catch up" excuse today. I (we) love Payton, but we have to live with his unwillingness to run the ball. Its just like payton has brain farts every other year though 2006 - great running game 2007 - deuce injured, pass happy and drew throws 19 picks 2008 - no running game at all, drew throws 17 picks 2009 - great running game - SB 2010 - Every RB injured, lose to the 7-9 seahawks in the playoffs 2011 - great running game all year long, had about 16 rushing yards vs SF in playoffs and gave up running after the first quarter 2012 - no running game at all until after week 8

11-04-2013, 09:05 AM	#17
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: We should know who we are Chris Ivory, had a great day. I guess he was pissed the Saints let him go.

11-04-2013, 10:31 AM	#18
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: We should know who we are Originally Posted by Boutte We've hit the halfway mark and we're sitting at 6-2. We looked bad in todays loss but we were a couple of screw ups away from winning. A couple of weeks ago we were one play away from beating the Pats. In other words we're a couple of plays from 8-0. But let's not kid ourselves, we're not a dominant football team. We're not as bad as a lot of the knee jerk posters are saying we are either. Our offense is still potent but it's definitely bi-polar. We can't run! I don't agree with the people who faulted Payton for abandoning the run today. He knows what this offense can and can't do and there was no point in wasting plays and possessions running our RBs into a brick wall. There will be games where running serves a purpose but this wasn't one of them. If either Colston or Sproles played today we win! The only reason we're one of the best teams in the league is Sean Payton and Drew Brees. Lose either one of those two we're strictly average, if that. Only thing I disagree with is your statement of Payton abandoning the run. You would first have to run the ball in the first quarter to say you abandon the run.

11-04-2013, 10:55 AM	#19
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: We should know who we are Time for Pete to start calling plays again, that 3rd string TE end around on a 4th and one still has me puzzled, really?

11-04-2013, 10:59 AM	#20
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: We should know who we are Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Time for Pete to start calling plays again, that 3rd string TE end around on a 4th and one still has me puzzled, really? The most puzzling part was that it was to Josh Hill. Really? If you are going to call that play use a WR like Stills or Meach. Although, I don't like it in any scenario. Let Drew throw the ball if you aren't confident in your running game.
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