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I don't care how good he is I don't want a guy like this.

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This guy should be permanently banned from the league.

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I'd like to understand exactly what he said, and what context.
if its just because he said the forbidden word, that forbidden word pops up
in every other rap song, so i dont give a sh**. I wouldnt excommunicate every player who used the word cracker, and i'm sure its been done.

If he was seriously threatening guys (for whatever reason) and meant them harm, then yeah, we dont want no psycho's. And honestly, no, I wouldnt want someone who hates someone just because of their skin. I dont hate anyone like that, regardless what you're going to say. But I'm not going to
recognize anyone's special set of rights. Everyone is equal in my book.

But if he was just a big sh** talker, even if he was conrad dobler on the field, I would use his play as the determiner.

This is the first time I've ever heard the term "bullying" used in a football story,
and to be honest, the whole "bullying" thing is suspicious to me.

talk is talk. Whats his history?

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I bet Jerry Jones would love to have him.

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history is that he was on several teams' do not draft list
he was flat out cut by a below average team (St. L)
he has more personal fouls in last 5 years than anyone not named Suh
has had 5 games with 2 PF's
had college ejections and suspensions, including spitting on a player from ASU
alienated the guy who plays NEXT to him on the line

Cancer. Pass.

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Freaking Racist Bully ! A good fit for Atlanta, ya know strike that don't even want to see him in the league.

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Substitute the word bullying with harassment.

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Ummmmmm, now if he were a tackle AND a guard AND paid us to play?


No.

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NO !

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I believe Tannehill is the most sacked quarterback in the NFL. So, I don't see why Incognito would be a help.

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Maybe Luke mccown's mother started this thread.

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If he's man enough to admit what he's done, understands his actions are completely unaceptable in our society, and truly makes a honest effort to turn his life around, HECK NO! But, he should be allowed to play again in the NFL if someone offers him a contract.

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new development- supposedly Incognito was told to toughen Martin up

is there anything more comical than Florida football right now?

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No.. LOL and he hasn't even been cut so we have 6 pages on an unavailable player. :dunce:

He will be suspended by the League at the very minimum... Remember Riley Cooper?

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I agree with that which is why I said a minimum...

This will turn I to Miamigate before the leagues investigation is over... Mark my words.

Extortion of $15,000 - Prosecutable offense.
Phone Harassment - Prosecutable offense.
The racism will bring in the NAACP and could turn the above into hate crimes.

Look for the NFLPA to push an investigation of the Dolphins.

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The Commissar's next scapegoat. Even if he does deserve it.


Look at me, look at me im cleaning up the league and building up the leagues coffers by fining everyone.

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Miamigate...probably something like Bullygate or somecrap.

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Doesn't the fines go to charities? Not acceptable what he did but neither are missing OTAs, unwritten rule on a lower level. If my boss request I attend a function I do it. Don't, and there will be consequences either warranted or unwarranted.

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Coopers teammates have moved on, and he's having a productive season.
OK, "harassment." I've never heard harassment in an NFL story
either. You harass your secretary. You dont harass your left tackle. Still super bizarre, and I dont know who to believe. honestly.

This is way too much real world trickling into my football.

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Cooper didn't make a racial slur at a team mate and cause a team mate to have a break down... Save voice messages for months.. etc.

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I honestly don't think Incognito is a racist and the use of the 'N' word is more of a similar situation to that of Riley Cooper. In both instances, the culture of the locker room was such that it was acceptable for those guys to use that kind of slur. It's unfortunate that neither one of them had the mental capacity to realize that it is never acceptable as a white person to throw that word around even if your black teammates are indifferent to it, or in the very least, be prepared to back it up if you choose to use that rhetoric. There is a video of Incognito acting out in a Ft. Lauderdale sports bar throwing the 'N' word around in the presence of his black teammates without any of them showing disapproval ... it's TMZ Sports, so I'm not posting a link, :lol:, but it does kind of prove my point.

This guy's a product of his environment and/or obviously steroids. There's a bunch of gangsta's in there (Pouncy was indicted in the Aaron Hernandez case) and Incognito got caught up in it, thinking he's cool and one of them ... which he's not. It's a shame one of his black teammates or coaches, who had to be aware of the verbiage this guy was comfortable using, didn't step up and correct him ... he does bench 600lbs though, so maybe everybody was afraid of him.

Anyhoo, he'll be found to be a dumbass, not a racist and being a dumbass isn't a crime. He'll be back in the NFL when all is said and done ... it may sound harsh, but personally, I'd go to war with the guy ... I probably wouldn't like it, but remember, the NFL is a business and the goal is to win games ... this guy will help you win games ... you ain't got to like the guy to play in the trenches next to him, you just got to do your job and trust him to do his. Bet.

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His context isn't the same as Riley Cooper's. Not even by a long shot. I never cared if a white team mate used the word around me, but if he respected me or blacks in general at all then he wouldn't even use it regardless.

Also, the "usage in rap" argument is so stupid. Eminem, Yelawolf, Macklemore, Machine Gun Kelly, none of them use it, and they'd be far more accepted in the black community then Incognito. Hell, they already are. That, and the whole culture of the locker room talk is bs. Now like I said, what he said doesn't bother me. I became immune to it years ago. But this faulty ass logic created by people who aren't even black is ridiculous.

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Now that's freaking funny right there.. :banana:

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Commit a Federal crime, costs taxpayers millions and you get a call from the President when done playing football in prison.Racial slurs and verbal attacks with little factual truth and extent of it and your career is over for the season, maybe longer.

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several Eagles (Williams, Jackson) have very vocally not moved on. That's the problem with these situations- they are not fixed until someone leaves the team

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Monumental difference in the usages below.

White boy drunk talking smack with a good friend ~ "N**** please!"
Incognito ~ "you half n----- piece of s---"

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I think threatening someone's life is a prosecutable offense.

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Agreed but it is confusing whether he meant it or was just friendly ribbing Martin. Heck, I have friends that would say something like that to me and I wouldn't take it seriously. Strange story indeed.

“I think if you had asked Jon Martin a week before who his best friend on the team was, he would have said Richie Incognito,” Tannehill said. “The first guy to stand up for Jonathan when anything went down on the field, any kind of tussle, Richie was the first guy there. When we would hang on off the field, outside football, who was together? Richie and Jon. I’m not in those guys’ shoes, I can’t explain what’s going on.”

READ MORE: Ryan Tannehill says Incognito and Martin were best friends | ProFootballTalk

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Good grief, Charlie Brown. Between Miami's "stuff", Jacksonville being who they are, and Tampa's head coach plus ownership, I believe we have a true Triangle of S--t in the state of Florida right now.

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nope. if you say it in your own expressions, then its not really a bad
word to you. Logic has no color.

rap is garbage anyway.
BBBBBBBBBB! BBBBBBBBBBBB! BBBBBBBBBBB! BBBBBBBBBBBB! is not music.
its pollution.

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It's an axis of shoot if you look past Florida and throw in the Failcons

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Richie isn't Saint material and we dnt need more bad press after the bounty stuff.

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I seriously doubt a real racist could work for a company where over 65% of the employees are black and do it for 13 years if you count college.

Could you imagine working for McDonalds and the sight of hamburgers makes you mad as hell but you still do it for 13 years...come on.

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I was thinking that too. That would be like working at Yellow CAb and hating people from other countries. Again, this whole story is fishy:

RI was "bullying/harassing" his LT. He said the Forbidden Word.
He also said he would slap his mother. Im having trouble believing there was
a real threat to this happening.
RI and other guys talked a lot of smack to each other already.
RI was pushed by management to toughen up LT.
RI & LT were best friends.
Some kicker (and we know kickers are ghey) says RI has issues.
We do know that RI plays like Conrad Dobler. (google him, kids)

Understand, Im not trying to defend anyone, as much as I want to cut thru the crap, and know the truth. And when I hear Forbidden Words, Bullying, Sexual Harassment, Gay Bashing, Failure to Recycle, Not Being Green, and Calling People Indians, I want to start over, and just hear some facts in context.

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That is called assault and is a misdemeanor in most states. $1000 fine, 6 hours in jail...... Less of a crime than a bar fight.

It's the use of a telecommunication device to do it that elevates it. Same way fraud is a misdemeanor but "mail fraud" is a federal felony.

Crimes in excess of a certain dollar amount also elevate to a felony, like extortion of $15,000.


One other thing. That $15,000 if paid has salary
cap implications and the league will have something to say about that.

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That logic would make slaves 150+ years ago white.

Racism does not always come in the form of hate... It more often comes in the form of the feeling of superiority.

A 30 year old, grown assed, college educated man has no excuse.

That being said, Incognito isn't the biggest idiot in this scenario. The impotent coach that uses maligned peer pressure to motivate his players is.

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There's common ground, Rez. :neutral:

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see i have been reading these and following the case a bit. your guilty after the facts are heard. all the facts. we are no were near that point. till then i will not pass judgement and would not be upset if the saints were talking to him just encase all of this is not as bad as it is made out in the media from day one. even the media is back tracking now. so let this play out then if guilty hang the guy. copy and paste :)