Pro Football Talk says Saints' defense "not particularly talented"

Danno · 11-12-2013, 04:39 PM

Its the effect of 2012 at work. One of the worst defenses of all time implies the unit had no talent. Big mistake.

He sees a bunch of young players who haven't established themselves yet and assumes they are without talent.

Outside on New Orleans, who knew about Junior Galette, Cam Jordan, Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, David Hawthorne, Akiem Hicks, John Jenkins, Corey White, Broderick Bunkley...

They look at 2012 and think MJenkins and Roman Harper are gawd awful safeties without considering the scheme mis-fit we had last year. Hell we even had Saints fans here that couldn't understand that.

Danno · 11-12-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

Not saying I don't want Vaccaro back, but Harper and Jenkins are more than sufficient for this game. No. 7 couldn't complete a deep ball last week and our secondary is no longer haemorrhaging yards...would rather have Jenks and Bush in deep coverage and Harper in the box. Plus no Vernon Davis for the 9ers this week.

Yeah, manning Davis with Malcolm Jenkins all game... not one of Gregg Williams best decisions. Its a shame Jenkins got the majority of the hate for that instead of Williams.

saintsfan403 · 11-12-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its the effect of 2012 at work. One of the worst defenses of all time implies the unit had no talent. Big mistake.

He sees a bunch of young players who haven't established themselves yet and assumes they are without talent.

Outside on New Orleans, who knew about Junior Galette, Cam Jordan, Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, David Hawthorne, Akiem Hicks, John Jenkins, Corey White, Broderick Bunkley...

They look at 2012 and think MJenkins and Roman Harper are gawd awful safeties without considering the scheme mis-fit we had last year. Hell we even had Saints fans here that couldn't understand that.

Truth, did you see the replays from how they made Patrick Robinson play Dez Bryant last year? Not that PRob was a shutdown corner by any means, but he went from having a career game against us in that zone scheme to having 1 catch and 44 yards against us in Ryan's press man coverage.

blackangold · 11-13-2013, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan403

Truth, did you see the replays from how they made Patrick Robinson play Dez Bryant last year? Not that PRob was a shutdown corner by any means, but he went from having a career game against us in that zone scheme to having 1 catch and 44 yards against us in Ryan's press man coverage.

Lewis is just built right to handle the bigger WRs in today's NFL. The thought of the typical CB a few years ago was for them to be quick with good hips and fast recovering speed. This lead to small CBs like Greer, who had success at many points and still does. However, in order to compete with the new type of WRs our CBs need to get bigger. Lewis was the first step in that direction and I think White is the same size and body frame as Lewis. Next year I hope we see White starting opposite of Lewis.

Not doubting the scheme issue at all just comparing the difference in CBs, Greer and Robinson are of the old thought process regarding CBs.

Jack Vegas · 11-13-2013, 04:34 AM

I would say Robinson fits the Lewis/White mold a lot more than the Greer/Porter one. Losing Robinson was really disappointing to me as I felt like he was already on the way to unseating Greer at the no. 2 corner. White's development has really helped though.

The fact we are even discussing our 3 or 4 good corners says enough about the talent we have built up.

11-12-2013, 04:39 PM	#41
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Pro Football Talk says Saints' defense "not particularly talented" Its the effect of 2012 at work. One of the worst defenses of all time implies the unit had no talent. Big mistake. He sees a bunch of young players who haven't established themselves yet and assumes they are without talent. Outside on New Orleans, who knew about Junior Galette, Cam Jordan, Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, David Hawthorne, Akiem Hicks, John Jenkins, Corey White, Broderick Bunkley... They look at 2012 and think MJenkins and Roman Harper are gawd awful safeties without considering the scheme mis-fit we had last year. Hell we even had Saints fans here that couldn't understand that.

11-12-2013, 04:42 PM	#42
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Pro Football Talk says Saints' defense "not particularly talented" Originally Posted by saintsfan403 Not saying I don't want Vaccaro back, but Harper and Jenkins are more than sufficient for this game. No. 7 couldn't complete a deep ball last week and our secondary is no longer haemorrhaging yards...would rather have Jenks and Bush in deep coverage and Harper in the box. Plus no Vernon Davis for the 9ers this week. Yeah, manning Davis with Malcolm Jenkins all game... not one of Gregg Williams best decisions. Its a shame Jenkins got the majority of the hate for that instead of Williams.

11-12-2013, 04:43 PM	#43
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Pro Football Talk says Saints' defense "not particularly talented" Originally Posted by Danno Its the effect of 2012 at work. One of the worst defenses of all time implies the unit had no talent. Big mistake. He sees a bunch of young players who haven't established themselves yet and assumes they are without talent. Outside on New Orleans, who knew about Junior Galette, Cam Jordan, Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, David Hawthorne, Akiem Hicks, John Jenkins, Corey White, Broderick Bunkley... They look at 2012 and think MJenkins and Roman Harper are gawd awful safeties without considering the scheme mis-fit we had last year. Hell we even had Saints fans here that couldn't understand that. Truth, did you see the replays from how they made Patrick Robinson play Dez Bryant last year? Not that PRob was a shutdown corner by any means, but he went from having a career game against us in that zone scheme to having 1 catch and 44 yards against us in Ryan's press man coverage. Danno likes this.

11-13-2013, 12:19 AM	#44
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Pro Football Talk says Saints' defense "not particularly talented" Originally Posted by saintsfan403 Truth, did you see the replays from how they made Patrick Robinson play Dez Bryant last year? Not that PRob was a shutdown corner by any means, but he went from having a career game against us in that zone scheme to having 1 catch and 44 yards against us in Ryan's press man coverage. Lewis is just built right to handle the bigger WRs in today's NFL. The thought of the typical CB a few years ago was for them to be quick with good hips and fast recovering speed. This lead to small CBs like Greer, who had success at many points and still does. However, in order to compete with the new type of WRs our CBs need to get bigger. Lewis was the first step in that direction and I think White is the same size and body frame as Lewis. Next year I hope we see White starting opposite of Lewis. Not doubting the scheme issue at all just comparing the difference in CBs, Greer and Robinson are of the old thought process regarding CBs.

11-13-2013, 04:34 AM	#45
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Pro Football Talk says Saints' defense "not particularly talented" I would say Robinson fits the Lewis/White mold a lot more than the Greer/Porter one. Losing Robinson was really disappointing to me as I felt like he was already on the way to unseating Greer at the no. 2 corner. White's development has really helped though. The fact we are even discussing our 3 or 4 good corners says enough about the talent we have built up. Danno likes this.
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