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44Champs 11-18-2013 08:03 AM

The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
It wasnt Ahmad Brooks clothesline sack of Brees, and it wasnt the hit on Sproles after he fair-catched a punt. The biggest boneheaded play came from Kaepernick, when he scrambled out of bounds on 3rd & 19, stopping the clock and giving Brees more time to engineer the game-winning drive. SF had been winning despite Kaepernick, and the fans are probably now wishing that they had Alex Smith instead.

dam1953 11-18-2013 08:30 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
I agree. A great QB gets the first down. A good QB stays in bounds on 3rd down to eat another 30 secs+ off the clock before punting. What does this make Kap, average or less in my opinion.

Do you notice how all of the wonder kid QB's in the class of 2012 are less than wonderful this year. Luck is the only one that seems to be holding up...for now. IMO this supports the observation that "athletic" QB's don't win consistently in the NFL. Give me a QB with ability between his ears.

SloMotion 11-18-2013 08:40 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 549321)
I agree. A great QB gets the first down. A good QB stays in bounds on 3rd down to eat another 30 secs+ off the clock before punting. What does this make Kap, average or less in my opinion.

Do you notice how all of the wonder kid QB's in the class of 2012 are less than wonderful this year. Luck is the only one that seems to be holding up...for now. IMO this supports the observation that "athletic" QB's don't win consistently in the NFL. Give me a QB with ability between his ears.

It's the 'sophomore slump' ... once they get some tape on ya', it's all about what you do after that. Russell Wilson (SEA) seems to be weathering the storm best outta' all of 'em and RGIII has the injury-thing working against him, but I usually wait 3-4 seasons before I get too hard on 'em.

Kaepernick is athletic enough, he just gotta' get his head right, IMO. :mrgreen:.

Mardigras9 11-18-2013 09:15 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
He looked overwhelmed all day. Just a mental mistake he'll learn from. Then again, he would have had to take a shot from a linebacker (Hawthorne maybe) to try to make it. With his ability, surprised he didn't try.

vpheughan 11-18-2013 11:37 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Now we know why no one ever heard of Kaepernick before the draft. He threw for 127 yards!! You catch Dungy hating on the Saints again? Carolina, Carolina! What a fool!

Hey Harbaugh! Who's the faceless name now? What a jerk!!

exile 11-18-2013 11:41 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 549441)
You catch Dungy hating on the Saints again? Carolina, Carolina! What a fool!

I heard that this morning. I can't hate on Dungy though since he is a defense guy. And you can't argue with the Panthers defense. We'll beat them twice though.

Halo 11-18-2013 12:12 PM

Ahmad Brooks: Football’s watered down these days
 
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"I didn't hit him with my hand or my helmet," Brooks told reporters, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "I basically bear-hugged him. That's just how football is played. I think this s--- is bull----. Football, the way they call stuff these days, it's watered down. It ain't real no more."
Brees, on the other hand, believes the call was correct.

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"All I remember is just getting clothes-lined in the chin, and as I'm on the ground I'm saying, 'That's got to be a flag,''' Brees said.
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Brooks isn’t the only person who feels that way, but the rules governing hits on quarterbacks aren’t going to go anywhere.
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My take - it was a clear clothesline swing and the moving gif's and other images do not do it justice until you see it in its entirety. Last I checked the clothesline move was illegal in the NFL. The call was correct.

Do I agree with him that the NFL is becoming a panzy league? YES
Was the right call made? YES - he did it.

It's up to coaches and Brooks to teach and learn the rules. End of story.

Srgt. Hulka 11-18-2013 12:14 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 549343)
He looked overwhelmed all day.

I agree Mardigas. I even commented in the live chat that Kaepernick didn't have the confidence in his eyes during the game.

Choupique 11-18-2013 12:24 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
who dat.

the 40whiners lost.

next.

two dat.

Srgt. Hulka 11-18-2013 12:35 PM

Re: Ahmad Brooks: Football’s watered down these days
 
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 549456)
Brees, on the other hand, believes the call was correct.



LINK

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Do I agree with him that the NFL is becoming a panzy league? YES
Was the right call made? YES - he did it.

You are absolutely right Halo. Like the call or not, according to the rules set in place, the Referees had NO choice but to call roughing the passer. So, all you SF "fans" tolling this site...It was a good call.


HITS TO PASSER’S HEAD AND USE OF HELMET AND FACEMASK
(3)
�� In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary-roughness rules covering these subjects). A defensive player must not use his helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture for example, (a) forcibly hitting the passer’s head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him, or (b) lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the passer’s body. This rule does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or non-crown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on a passer.

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Penalty: For Roughing the Passer: Loss of 15 yards from the previous spot; disqualification if flagrant.

Note 1: If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic on the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.





dueceloose 11-18-2013 12:47 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
I'm sure If the shoe was on the other foot the 49ers would be happy and we'd be beachin.. as far as kaep goes.. greatness comes with time and experience. let's see later down the road.

exile 11-18-2013 12:50 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by dueceloose (Post 549512)
I'm sure If the shoe was on the other foot the 49ers would be happy and we'd be beachin.. as far as kaep goes.. greatness comes with time and experience. let's see later down the road.

Actually I remember Corey White getting two such penalties and this board mostly blamed White. :confused:

saintsfan403 11-18-2013 12:51 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
I almost started a thread about that Dungy retard. Dude is only relevant cause he had a qb that was able to coach himself for his entire career

Halo 11-18-2013 01:32 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Here's a better angle.
Clearly a clotheline tackle directed at the QB's neck, directly.
From this angle there is no question of it. Amazingly, you're not seeing this angle around the interwebz.

http://i.imgur.com/MbnEDR3.gif

exile 11-18-2013 01:35 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 549564)
Here's a better angle.
Clearly a clotheline tackle directed at the QB's neck, directly.
From this angle there is no question of it. Amazingly, you're not seeing this angle around the interwebz.

Now THAT makes it very clear. Now I wanna watch someone beat up Brooks.

RaginCajun83 11-18-2013 02:26 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Those 40whiner fans need to shut up, it's as plain as day that thug was going for Drew's head. He didn't even attempt to aim for his chest or anywhere else

44Champs 11-18-2013 02:31 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
In the post-game interviews, Brooks and the other forty whiners were saying that Brees ducked into the hit.

#1 - The videos shows clearly that he didn't duck - he didn't even know it was coming

#2 - Who WOULDN'T duck if they saw someone swinging at your neck?? What a dumba$k

breesfan27 11-18-2013 02:38 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
How about Harb*tch wasting two challenges in the first half and losing both of them? That was pretty boneheaded (read: hilarious).

SaintSproles 11-18-2013 03:42 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
I don't think the Kaepernick going out of bounds play was much of a big deal.

The Saints were more than comfortable with lots of time left on the clock (at the 25 yard line with 35 seconds to go, when we decided to take more time off the clock before the next snap and basically run one more pass play).

Teams adjust to what they given. The Saints would have been quicker to run that last play had we been with 1 less timeout.

Danno 11-18-2013 03:52 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by SaintSproles (Post 549635)
I don't think the Kaepernick going out of bounds play was much of a big deal.

The Saints were more than comfortable with lots of time left on the clock (at the 25 yard line with 35 seconds to go, when we decided to take more time off the clock before the next snap and basically run one more pass play).

Teams adjust to what they given. The Saints would have been quicker to run that last play had we been with 1 less timeout.

True, that was at the 1:40 mark. It still would have given us over 60 seconds. It only took us 50 seconds to drive to the 25.

SaintSproles 11-18-2013 04:42 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 549640)
True, that was at the 1:40 mark. It still would have given us over 60 seconds. It only took us 50 seconds to drive to the 25.

Well we would have called our last timeout and had the full 1:40, plenty of time from our 40 yard line.

Danno 11-18-2013 05:00 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by SaintSproles (Post 549682)
Well we would have called our last timeout and had the full 1:40, plenty of time from our 40 yard line.

Yep, it may have been a bonehead play, but realistically had no effect on the outcome.

skymike 11-18-2013 05:12 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 549564)
Here's a better angle.
Clearly a clotheline tackle directed at the QB's neck, directly.
From this angle there is no question of it. Amazingly, you're not seeing this angle around the interwebz.

http://i.imgur.com/MbnEDR3.gif

It was plainly visible as either a clothesline from the Terrace.

TheOak 11-18-2013 05:19 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka (Post 549458)
I agree Mardigas. I even commented in the live chat that Kaepernick didn't have the confidence in his eyes during the game.

Kaepernick had a dream last year that involved a Super Bowl fantasy. He woke up this season and found himself in the NFL.

Remember all the people watching him last year questioning his draft #? He was too young and dumb to realize where he was, and played purely on instinct. He is thinking this season and it's got him all sorts of side ways.

Audiotom 11-18-2013 11:32 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Loved watching kaep deer in the headlights
Trying to shout over the crowd

Would love to meet them in the second round in the dome
The Saints are in his head

No giveaways, CK actually has to try to get more than two first downs to score

WHODATINCA 11-18-2013 11:52 PM

Re: Ahmad Brooks: Football’s watered down these days
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 549456)
It's up to coaches and Brooks to teach and learn the rules. End of story.

Agreed. But, don't hold your breath waiting on Harbaugh to teach his players. He did not demerit Brooks for the penality. So, essentially saying to his players -- go ahead choke the sh*t out of anyone you want. That is his committment to the rules.

Here's the summary: The SF 49ers are going to play dirty. The whole organization should be fined. Harbaugh, specifically, is a douche.

SloMotion 11-19-2013 04:42 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by breesfan27 (Post 549600)
How about Harb*tch wasting two challenges in the first half and losing both of them? That was pretty boneheaded (read: hilarious).

'Classic Harbaugh' ... last year he got away with intimidating the refs, I think during the off-season they made it a point to tell the officiating crews to not let him bully them as much.

hagan714 11-19-2013 05:49 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
bone head play of the game goes to drew on brooks int and white on his fumble. that was ten points right there The Whiners should never gotten.

as for the hit. it was a close line. throw the rule out. then all of the calls we had on hits to the QB would be thrown out too. non of them were near as violent as brooks hit nor as dangerous.

me i love the hit myself but rules are rules.

Rugby Saint II 11-19-2013 02:38 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Whites fumble to me was as bone headed as any other crap that occured.

saintsfan403 11-19-2013 03:18 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Notice nobody from the Saints camp is *****ing about how White was CLEARLY down by contact on that INT? Also notice how Belicheck was mum about one of the worst calls ever that ended the monday night game. Harbaugh should take notes on how real coaches conduct themselves.

NonieT 11-20-2013 04:41 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 549886)
Loved watching kaep deer in the headlights
Trying to shout over the crowd

Would love to meet them in the second round in the dome
The Saints are in his head

No giveaways, CK actually has to try to get more than two first downs to score

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

SaintSproles 11-20-2013 04:52 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 550715)
Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

I agree, I don't want to see the 49ers in the playoffs, even at home.

San Francisco plays dirty trying to injure players, don't want any part of that.

Playoffs could look like this:

#5 Carolina @ #4 Philadelphia
#6 San Fran @ #3 Detroit (remember the last time these two met? no love lost)

San Fran goes to Seattle while we play either Detroit or Carolina/Philly winner. I love the idea of San Fran and Seattle beating each other up in a most brutal contest.

I would not fear either Detroit or Philly.

D_it_up 11-20-2013 05:58 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
My bonehead play of the game was Frank Gore dropping that pass when he was wide open and had nothing but real estate ahead of him. Had he caught that, he most likely scores or gets a huge gain into the red zone, and Niners win. Sucks to be you, Frank Gore. :D

Danno 11-20-2013 06:05 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 550756)
My bonehead play of the game was Frank Gore dropping that pass when he was wide open and had nothing but real estate ahead of him. Had he caught that, he most likely scores or gets a huge gain into the red zone, and Niners win. Sucks to be you, Frank Gore. :D

I don't think physical mistakes qualify as bonehead plays. When I think bonehead, I think mental error.

Gore's drop wasn't a boneheaded mental error.

SaintSproles 11-20-2013 06:09 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 550763)
I don't think physical mistakes qualify as bonehead plays. When I think bonehead, I think mental error.

Gore's drop wasn't a boneheaded mental error.

e.g., the 15 yard penalty on the last punt to Sproles

That's huge from a psychological standpoint, starting from the 25 (3 and out and maybe you have a shot at a FG) vs the 40 (oh boy, Drew Brees needs only 25-30 yards to get in FG range). That's mentally a big deal.

K Major 11-20-2013 07:55 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 549321)
I agree. A great QB gets the first down. A good QB stays in bounds on 3rd down to eat another 30 secs+ off the clock before punting. What does this make Kap, average or less in my opinion.

Do you notice how all of the wonder kid QB's in the class of 2012 are less than wonderful this year. Luck is the only one that seems to be holding up...for now. IMO this supports the observation that "athletic" QB's don't win consistently in the NFL. Give me a QB with ability between his ears.

+1. You give good coaches a year film on a read option QB (Kaep/RGIII), they will eventually figure you out at this level.

SaintSproles 11-20-2013 08:28 PM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 550814)
+1. You give good coaches a year film on a read option QB (Kaep/RGIII), they will eventually figure you out at this level.

They had Russell Wilson on NFL Network earlier today and he talked about how when he is running out of the pocket the first thing he is looking to do is to throw the ball vs running with it. That's because he is a legit passing QB and the reason he has survived and thrived in his 2nd season, even without having adequate passing targets for much of the season.

RGIII has had to be conservative with trying to use his legs to win games and now it shows that having to throw the ball on a higher percentage basis is not quite working out so well. His component of being a dangerous runner has been dimenished greatly, and his effectiveness along with it. Kaepernick similarly.

SloMotion 11-21-2013 05:12 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintSproles (Post 550721)
I agree, I don't want to see the 49ers in the playoffs, even at home.

San Francisco plays dirty trying to injure players, don't want any part of that.

Playoffs could look like this:

#5 Carolina @ #4 Philadelphia
#6 San Fran @ #3 Detroit (remember the last time these two met? no love lost)

San Fran goes to Seattle while we play either Detroit or Carolina/Philly winner. I love the idea of San Fran and Seattle beating each other up in a most brutal contest.

I would not fear either Detroit or Philly.

Detroit with a #3 and leading the NFC North is more a byproduct of GB/CHI stumbling. As much as I'd like to see 'em beat the Whiners, they lose that matchup. If they don't watch out, CHI is gonna' catch 'em and then they lose the W/C race to Carolina/SFran as well.

skymike 11-21-2013 06:37 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 550715)
Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

I aint scared.
neither is Brees.

RaginCajun83 11-21-2013 08:24 AM

Re: The most boneheaded SF play of the game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 550715)
Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

If you're scared go buy a dog


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