Bunch of phony fair weather fans

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-19-2004, 08:06 AM

i have been here at this site for close to a year now and i don\'t really know what ticks me off worse..the saints losing or these punk a** fair weather fans on this site..halo should make a separate board like saint bashers or something cause you guys are sad..whodat,saintfan,gatorman..this negativity you guys talk now does nothing but hurt the team..

It\'s not fair weather to criticize. All the fair weather fans have already left the building.

Every season I do my best to find the positive qualities of the team. You can check out my posts during the preseason as evidence.

However the team has played for 6 weeks now. Barring three magnificent offensive drives in the 4th quarter and OT, this is a team that would be 0-6.

It doesn\'t hurt the team to tell the truth. The defense is non existant, and the offense is its own worst enemy with fumblitis, dropitis, penaltyitis, and any other itis you can think of. The team is undisciplined, and lacks both sufficient coaching and scheme on both sides of the ball to be successful. While it\'s all negative, it\'s the truth. And the truth needs to be said.

I first started watching the Saints in 1972 in Tulane Stadium. I went to every game in town as a kid until I moved away. I\'ve been to every Saints home playoff game, driving down for the priviledge. I live in Atlanta, hated Falcons territory and I have to put up with the taunts of Falcons fans whose team had the guts to do what we need to do now: Fire the coaching staff and start over.

So just because I\'m telling the truth, don\'t accuse me of being a fair weather fan.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-19-2004, 08:21 AM

first of all..its their job to hype up the team..do you think that they will come out and say..this team sucks and that will put fans in the seats at the dome?!?we have problems.. i dont deny that ..but think about it..do you ever watch a saints game with you dad or grandfather and when the game gets REAL bad...even as bad as you feel..they start in with \"oooh what a buch of losers..they suck man..the bunch of bums\"and just make it ten times worse??

My son is that person. Won\'t even watch the games anymore. Just calls them losers.

it gets you nowheres..lets talk about figuring out how we can save the season cause you do realize..this is only week seven?!?!or how we can clean house and get better next year??not..ooh yeah..were gonna make kerry collins a pro bowler next week and yeah lets get drew brees in here...DREW BREES!!! you gotta be kiddin me bro..the brooks thing makes me sick..yeah he kinda says he wants out but..thats cause when i\'m in the dome..every time they call his name..everyone boos!!even when he has clearly done nothing wrong..i would be sick too...

I definitely want to cosign on this one. Brooks could be a brilliant QB in the right system. But it\'s clear now that he isn\'t in the right system. I hope that Loomis and Benson don\'t make the mistake of getting rid of the wrong people. We will regret it.

how bout talking about the bad play calling that mccarthy has been doing??what my last post boils down to is..talk about what you want..its a free country and all..but this is \"Black and Gold.net\"...not \"Black and Gold Sucks.net\"right??

I feel where you\'re coming from. But if you check the negative posts, you\'ll find that most folks here are trying to solve the problem. We just get frustrated because there\'s no apparent change from week to week. Here\'s some examples.

1) On defense it\'s clear that nothing so far has worked. So do something else, like blitz the hell out of the opposition. Like chuck every receiver on the line every play. Just do something different than letting the QB sit back for 6-7 seconds at a time picking apart the secondary.

2) On offense give every player a one strike rule. Screw up and you\'ll be pulled for that game and you\'ll be inactive for the next. And that goes from everyone from Brooks down.

3) Find a bread and butter play that exploits all of your options. For example Indy has the stretch handoff play to James. James can run outside, or cut back, or Manning can keep the ball. It\'s presents options, therefore it presents problems. The Saints bread and butter play is either the srtaight power I with Deuce, or Brooks standing in the pocket trying to make a play. Our offense simplifies the job for the opposing defense. Be deceptive by putting the ball into Deuce\'s belly EVERY PLAY. Try a trap, a cut back. Try decoying Karney instead of a straight run every time he\'s in the game.

Anyway the point is that if the same ole, same ole, isn\'t working, then scrap it and try something new.

And a double cosign on Brooks and the rest of the offense. When your team gives up 605 yards of offense and 5 TDs, and only loses by 7, then your offense has to be doing something right.

SFIAH

WhoDat · 10-19-2004, 10:21 AM

...\"what do we fair weather fans have to be positive about?\" right now nothing..THATS WHAT MAKES YOU A FAIR WEATHER FAN!!you say your a saints fan?prove it brother..cause all i see you write is jokes about em dude...i used to hang on every thing you wrote and say...man this dude knows the saints..what happened?? i\'ll tell you..man it sure aint nice \"outside\" today huh?

I think your anger is misdirected. Be mad at the front office, coaching staff, and players for making your team this bad. I didn\'t make the team this bad. I want them to be 16-0. But no matter how you dress it up, crap is crap.

Listen, I understand your anger, but don\'t start calling members of this board out for being fans. I carry my badge in a saints holder and wear it on my belt every day (and I live in Chicago). I carry a Saints pen all day. I have a Saints sticker on the car I drive every day. I have a helmet in my office. I didn\'t miss a home game for the last 4 years I lived in NO. I have over 3,000 posts on this board. I bleed black and gold, so before you start calling guys out for not being fans, think about why you\'re mad.

Now, what exactly is there to be happy about right now? A few things - but not nearly as much as there is to be disappointed or upset about. You think we have fair weather fans? The Dome was sold out despite the Saints playing against all odds Sunday night, was it not? It sounded real loud in there to me almost all game. You think our fans are the only ones that boo? Turn on a Bears game. They were 13-3 three years ago. They won a Super Bowl in most fans lifetimes. Our fans are amongst the most loyal in pro sports. The Cubs are the lovable losers - well our team isn\'t loveable. It\'s infuriating, it makes me physically ill some times, and we endure more pain than most. I keep coming back every year. So take that \"fair weather\" crap, and stick it where the sun don\'t shine... and I don\'t mean the Saints locker room.

saintswhodi · 10-19-2004, 10:37 AM

I second that WhoDat. As long as I have been reading this site one thing is common and obvious, EVERYONE IS A SAINTS FAN AND LOVES THIS TEAM. There is not one sell-out on this board and it is a disgrace to say so. I like the analogy that was used on the Saints being like a relative that you can talk about, but if anyone else does, \"Dem\'s fighting words.\" That is more true than anyoen would believe. I live in Texas, San Antonio and have to hear daily how well the Texans, an expansion team no less, and Cowboys are doing. Shouldn\'t it be frustrating to me that another expansion team looks like it will get to the Superbowl before my beloved Saints? The Panthers have already done it even though they have long since stopped being labeled an expansion team. But these teams have gone farther than the Saints, even the Jags. Do I not have the right to be upset? Don\'t we all? Doesn\'t make anyone a fairweather fan.

Growing up in New Orleans I could never even dream of supporting another team and I can\'t to this day. NOONE on this site wants the Saints to move to LA. If fans are selling out the dome with the crap that is being put on the field right now, they don\'t have the right to boo? During the Titans game I heard Brett Favre getting booed. BRETT FAVRE!!! Surely he has done more for the Pack than anyone in their team history and he was getting booed so I am to believe Brooks is above getting booed? Come on. You obviously have mistaken everyone\'s pain at seeing this team underachieve again and perceived it as apathy, indifference, or becoming traitors. You could not be more wrong. It hurts my heart to have to write negativity about the Saints, and it hurts even more cause it is the truth.

JKool · 10-19-2004, 12:26 PM

Ok, I tried to avoid this.

I agree that the negativity has its place. Well made arguments, whether positive or negative (and straight up info) are all I look for on this board. Sure, some guys have other guys they like to pick on, etc. but that is just part of the entertainment value.

That said, I think there are two things of note:

(1)

I feel where you\'re coming from. But if you check the negative posts, you\'ll find that most folks here are trying to solve the problem.

This is right, but you\'ll note that it says MOST FOLKS. I would say this - MOST FOLKS MOST OF THE TIME. I\'ll tell you what I find annoying and agree with right here in this post - it sucks to come on here after the game hoping to have some legitimate discussion and find that many threads are simply overrun with people saying things like this teams sucks hard and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. This makes it very hard to discuss at all! In fact, there is no point in saying anything until two or three days later in most cases. This means that the board that is for all of us is overrun by some of us. Everyone has their own way of venting after the loss - for some it is to rant and rave, for others it is too look for the positives. These are just two different ways to express our love for the team (I don\'t see why one is better or worse than the other - but I do see that it is bad if one way blocks/runs off the other).

(2) I personally think that sometimes the nay saying gets over the top, but there are things about the team that do in fact suck. Why lie to ourselves or yourself for that matter. There are so very few people on this board who thought our secondary would be good this year, there are also very few people who thought that we\'d improved significantly against the run. The \"negative\" types go a long way in making sure the \"positive\" types keep their feet on the ground. The \"positive\" types open discussions on very interesting things for the \"negative\" types to jump on. This seems to be the culture here, and I\'m ok with that. However, I feel that some very good posters get sick of RIDICULOUS I-told-ya-so\'s and people simply saying nothing but what sounds like \"suck, suck, suck, suck...\" and if that means they won\'t be comin\' round, I say so much the worse for EVERYONE.

There are my two cents as a fine colleague here likes to say.

saintfan · 10-19-2004, 12:31 PM

I feel that some very good posters get sick of RIDICULOUS I-told-ya-so\'s and people simply saying nothing but what sounds like \"suck, suck, suck, suck...\" and if that means they won\'t be comin\' round, I say so much the worse for EVERYONE.

Amen! I miss Danno...

And on another note, The Panthers, \"IT\" and all are 1-4. LMAO

JKool · 10-19-2004, 12:35 PM

SF - some days we are on the same page, no?

saintfan · 10-19-2004, 12:53 PM

I\'m speculating, but I know Danno was tired of the Brooks debate, however I think it went a bit further. He was not allowed to post anything positive without being hit over the head and told how crazy he was.

The hypocricacy is staggering, but that\'s all I\'m gonna say about it for now.

I also find it interesting, being that the Dome was filled (with an extension of course) that some on this very web site (and others) and a particular media guy with a speech problem were clamoring for fans to refuse to go to games and to turn in their season tickets. I just don\'t see how this helps the team OR the organization.

Even the announcers Sunday night made mention of how the \"fans\" boo the QB for EVERYthing. That\'s where my \"agenda\" talk sprang from (in spite of what you may hear)...people wanting to blame Brooks for EVERYthing of Haz for things absolutely beyond his control...or insinuating the Saints are a Mickey Mouse organization when other teams, players, and coaches go through the same scenarios.

I mean, they\'re ready to hang the great Parcells here in Dallas. Go figure.

BlackandBlue · 10-19-2004, 01:03 PM

Amen! I miss Danno...

Roger that.

frankeefrank · 10-19-2004, 02:32 PM

B-O-B
We\'re (yes all of us) in a three game losing streak. Losses to Arizona, Tampa and Minnesota. If you can find ANYTHING good to say about that... then I\'ll give you your do.

A fan cheers the loudest when the team is winning and boos the oudest when they are losing. A spectator just enjoys watching the games.
Which one are you??
Really?

I don\'t have children but I do have a dog..
So if my dog tooka crap on my living room floor, what would you have me do...
Tell him he\'s a good boy and just hope and pray that NEXT time he won\'t do it??????

No, brother... You rub his nose in it and make sure he doesn\'t even think of doing it again.

10-19-2004, 08:06 AM	#11
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Bunch of phony fair weather fans i have been here at this site for close to a year now and i don\'t really know what ticks me off worse..the saints losing or these punk a** fair weather fans on this site..halo should make a separate board like saint bashers or something cause you guys are sad..whodat,saintfan,gatorman..this negativity you guys talk now does nothing but hurt the team.. It\'s not fair weather to criticize. All the fair weather fans have already left the building. Every season I do my best to find the positive qualities of the team. You can check out my posts during the preseason as evidence. However the team has played for 6 weeks now. Barring three magnificent offensive drives in the 4th quarter and OT, this is a team that would be 0-6. It doesn\'t hurt the team to tell the truth. The defense is non existant, and the offense is its own worst enemy with fumblitis, dropitis, penaltyitis, and any other itis you can think of. The team is undisciplined, and lacks both sufficient coaching and scheme on both sides of the ball to be successful. While it\'s all negative, it\'s the truth. And the truth needs to be said. I first started watching the Saints in 1972 in Tulane Stadium. I went to every game in town as a kid until I moved away. I\'ve been to every Saints home playoff game, driving down for the priviledge. I live in Atlanta, hated Falcons territory and I have to put up with the taunts of Falcons fans whose team had the guts to do what we need to do now: Fire the coaching staff and start over. So just because I\'m telling the truth, don\'t accuse me of being a fair weather fan. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

10-19-2004, 08:21 AM	#12
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Bunch of phony fair weather fans first of all..its their job to hype up the team..do you think that they will come out and say..this team sucks and that will put fans in the seats at the dome?!?we have problems.. i dont deny that ..but think about it..do you ever watch a saints game with you dad or grandfather and when the game gets REAL bad...even as bad as you feel..they start in with \"oooh what a buch of losers..they suck man..the bunch of bums\"and just make it ten times worse?? My son is that person. Won\'t even watch the games anymore. Just calls them losers. it gets you nowheres..lets talk about figuring out how we can save the season cause you do realize..this is only week seven?!?!or how we can clean house and get better next year??not..ooh yeah..were gonna make kerry collins a pro bowler next week and yeah lets get drew brees in here...DREW BREES!!! you gotta be kiddin me bro..the brooks thing makes me sick..yeah he kinda says he wants out but..thats cause when i\'m in the dome..every time they call his name..everyone boos!!even when he has clearly done nothing wrong..i would be sick too... I definitely want to cosign on this one. Brooks could be a brilliant QB in the right system. But it\'s clear now that he isn\'t in the right system. I hope that Loomis and Benson don\'t make the mistake of getting rid of the wrong people. We will regret it. how bout talking about the bad play calling that mccarthy has been doing??what my last post boils down to is..talk about what you want..its a free country and all..but this is \"Black and Gold.net\"...not \"Black and Gold Sucks.net\"right?? I feel where you\'re coming from. But if you check the negative posts, you\'ll find that most folks here are trying to solve the problem. We just get frustrated because there\'s no apparent change from week to week. Here\'s some examples. 1) On defense it\'s clear that nothing so far has worked. So do something else, like blitz the hell out of the opposition. Like chuck every receiver on the line every play. Just do something different than letting the QB sit back for 6-7 seconds at a time picking apart the secondary. 2) On offense give every player a one strike rule. Screw up and you\'ll be pulled for that game and you\'ll be inactive for the next. And that goes from everyone from Brooks down. 3) Find a bread and butter play that exploits all of your options. For example Indy has the stretch handoff play to James. James can run outside, or cut back, or Manning can keep the ball. It\'s presents options, therefore it presents problems. The Saints bread and butter play is either the srtaight power I with Deuce, or Brooks standing in the pocket trying to make a play. Our offense simplifies the job for the opposing defense. Be deceptive by putting the ball into Deuce\'s belly EVERY PLAY. Try a trap, a cut back. Try decoying Karney instead of a straight run every time he\'s in the game. Anyway the point is that if the same ole, same ole, isn\'t working, then scrap it and try something new. And a double cosign on Brooks and the rest of the offense. When your team gives up 605 yards of offense and 5 TDs, and only loses by 7, then your offense has to be doing something right. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

10-19-2004, 10:21 AM	#13
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Bunch of phony fair weather fans ...\"what do we fair weather fans have to be positive about?\" right now nothing..THATS WHAT MAKES YOU A FAIR WEATHER FAN!!you say your a saints fan?prove it brother..cause all i see you write is jokes about em dude...i used to hang on every thing you wrote and say...man this dude knows the saints..what happened?? i\'ll tell you..man it sure aint nice \"outside\" today huh? I think your anger is misdirected. Be mad at the front office, coaching staff, and players for making your team this bad. I didn\'t make the team this bad. I want them to be 16-0. But no matter how you dress it up, crap is crap. Listen, I understand your anger, but don\'t start calling members of this board out for being fans. I carry my badge in a saints holder and wear it on my belt every day (and I live in Chicago). I carry a Saints pen all day. I have a Saints sticker on the car I drive every day. I have a helmet in my office. I didn\'t miss a home game for the last 4 years I lived in NO. I have over 3,000 posts on this board. I bleed black and gold, so before you start calling guys out for not being fans, think about why you\'re mad. Now, what exactly is there to be happy about right now? A few things - but not nearly as much as there is to be disappointed or upset about. You think we have fair weather fans? The Dome was sold out despite the Saints playing against all odds Sunday night, was it not? It sounded real loud in there to me almost all game. You think our fans are the only ones that boo? Turn on a Bears game. They were 13-3 three years ago. They won a Super Bowl in most fans lifetimes. Our fans are amongst the most loyal in pro sports. The Cubs are the lovable losers - well our team isn\'t loveable. It\'s infuriating, it makes me physically ill some times, and we endure more pain than most. I keep coming back every year. So take that \"fair weather\" crap, and stick it where the sun don\'t shine... and I don\'t mean the Saints locker room.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

10-19-2004, 10:37 AM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Bunch of phony fair weather fans I second that WhoDat. As long as I have been reading this site one thing is common and obvious, EVERYONE IS A SAINTS FAN AND LOVES THIS TEAM. There is not one sell-out on this board and it is a disgrace to say so. I like the analogy that was used on the Saints being like a relative that you can talk about, but if anyone else does, \"Dem\'s fighting words.\" That is more true than anyoen would believe. I live in Texas, San Antonio and have to hear daily how well the Texans, an expansion team no less, and Cowboys are doing. Shouldn\'t it be frustrating to me that another expansion team looks like it will get to the Superbowl before my beloved Saints? The Panthers have already done it even though they have long since stopped being labeled an expansion team. But these teams have gone farther than the Saints, even the Jags. Do I not have the right to be upset? Don\'t we all? Doesn\'t make anyone a fairweather fan. Growing up in New Orleans I could never even dream of supporting another team and I can\'t to this day. NOONE on this site wants the Saints to move to LA. If fans are selling out the dome with the crap that is being put on the field right now, they don\'t have the right to boo? During the Titans game I heard Brett Favre getting booed. BRETT FAVRE!!! Surely he has done more for the Pack than anyone in their team history and he was getting booed so I am to believe Brooks is above getting booed? Come on. You obviously have mistaken everyone\'s pain at seeing this team underachieve again and perceived it as apathy, indifference, or becoming traitors. You could not be more wrong. It hurts my heart to have to write negativity about the Saints, and it hurts even more cause it is the truth.

10-19-2004, 12:26 PM	#15
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Bunch of phony fair weather fans Ok, I tried to avoid this. I agree that the negativity has its place. Well made arguments, whether positive or negative (and straight up info) are all I look for on this board. Sure, some guys have other guys they like to pick on, etc. but that is just part of the entertainment value. That said, I think there are two things of note: (1) I feel where you\'re coming from. But if you check the negative posts, you\'ll find that most folks here are trying to solve the problem. This is right, but you\'ll note that it says MOST FOLKS. I would say this - MOST FOLKS MOST OF THE TIME. I\'ll tell you what I find annoying and agree with right here in this post - it sucks to come on here after the game hoping to have some legitimate discussion and find that many threads are simply overrun with people saying things like this teams sucks hard and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. This makes it very hard to discuss at all! In fact, there is no point in saying anything until two or three days later in most cases. This means that the board that is for all of us is overrun by some of us. Everyone has their own way of venting after the loss - for some it is to rant and rave, for others it is too look for the positives. These are just two different ways to express our love for the team (I don\'t see why one is better or worse than the other - but I do see that it is bad if one way blocks/runs off the other). (2) I personally think that sometimes the nay saying gets over the top, but there are things about the team that do in fact suck. Why lie to ourselves or yourself for that matter. There are so very few people on this board who thought our secondary would be good this year, there are also very few people who thought that we\'d improved significantly against the run. The \"negative\" types go a long way in making sure the \"positive\" types keep their feet on the ground. The \"positive\" types open discussions on very interesting things for the \"negative\" types to jump on. This seems to be the culture here, and I\'m ok with that. However, I feel that some very good posters get sick of RIDICULOUS I-told-ya-so\'s and people simply saying nothing but what sounds like \"suck, suck, suck, suck...\" and if that means they won\'t be comin\' round, I say so much the worse for EVERYONE. There are my two cents as a fine colleague here likes to say.
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10-19-2004, 12:31 PM	#16
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Bunch of phony fair weather fans I feel that some very good posters get sick of RIDICULOUS I-told-ya-so\'s and people simply saying nothing but what sounds like \"suck, suck, suck, suck...\" and if that means they won\'t be comin\' round, I say so much the worse for EVERYONE. Amen! I miss Danno... And on another note, The Panthers, \"IT\" and all are 1-4. LMAO

10-19-2004, 12:35 PM	#17
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Bunch of phony fair weather fans SF - some days we are on the same page, no?

10-19-2004, 12:53 PM	#18
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Bunch of phony fair weather fans I\'m speculating, but I know Danno was tired of the Brooks debate, however I think it went a bit further. He was not allowed to post anything positive without being hit over the head and told how crazy he was. The hypocricacy is staggering, but that\'s all I\'m gonna say about it for now. I also find it interesting, being that the Dome was filled (with an extension of course) that some on this very web site (and others) and a particular media guy with a speech problem were clamoring for fans to refuse to go to games and to turn in their season tickets. I just don\'t see how this helps the team OR the organization. Even the announcers Sunday night made mention of how the \"fans\" boo the QB for EVERYthing. That\'s where my \"agenda\" talk sprang from (in spite of what you may hear)...people wanting to blame Brooks for EVERYthing of Haz for things absolutely beyond his control...or insinuating the Saints are a Mickey Mouse organization when other teams, players, and coaches go through the same scenarios. I mean, they\'re ready to hang the great Parcells here in Dallas. Go figure.
	C'mon Man...

10-19-2004, 01:03 PM	#19
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Bunch of phony fair weather fans Amen! I miss Danno... Roger that.

10-19-2004, 02:32 PM	#20
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	Bunch of phony fair weather fans B-O-B We\'re (yes all of us) in a three game losing streak. Losses to Arizona, Tampa and Minnesota. If you can find ANYTHING good to say about that... then I\'ll give you your do. A fan cheers the loudest when the team is winning and boos the oudest when they are losing. A spectator just enjoys watching the games. Which one are you?? Really? I don\'t have children but I do have a dog.. So if my dog tooka crap on my living room floor, what would you have me do... Tell him he\'s a good boy and just hope and pray that NEXT time he won\'t do it?????? No, brother... You rub his nose in it and make sure he doesn\'t even think of doing it again.
frankeefrank 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 775	The weather is always 72 degrees and perfect, in the Dome