Percy Harvin

FeelTheBrees · 11-23-2013, 05:43 PM

Played his first game last week to knock some rust off and now has a few weeks to rest up a bit. He is a very scary weapon when healthy. Is anyone worried he might have a coming out party against us?

|Mitch| · 11-23-2013, 05:46 PM

Not my job to worry about him. I'll leave that up to the coaches/players and I'll sit back and enjoy the game.

FeelTheBrees · 11-23-2013, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Not my job to worry about him. I'll leave that up to the coaches/players and I'll sit back and enjoy the game.

Dang - I was really hoping Sean himself would reply...

dueceloose · 11-23-2013, 05:49 PM

Think we have the corners to keep up with him and we've played him before so it won't be such a surprise.

hagan714 · 11-23-2013, 06:15 PM

he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant

ChromeSeahwk · 11-27-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant

Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.

SmashMouth · 11-27-2013, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk

Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.

It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.

AsylumGuido · 11-27-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk

Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.

Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?

ChromeSeahwk · 11-27-2013, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?

Yep, they are bad (28th vs the pass DVOA), but whether they are good or bad, but he's still going to affect your defense in the same manner - if he doesn't then he'll likely be open. This week will certainly be a lot more telling given that the Saints are the 5th ranked vs the pass DVOA

swampking · 11-27-2013, 12:03 PM

Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson.
BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.

11-23-2013, 05:43 PM	#1
FeelTheBrees Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 60	Percy Harvin Played his first game last week to knock some rust off and now has a few weeks to rest up a bit. He is a very scary weapon when healthy. Is anyone worried he might have a coming out party against us?
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11-23-2013, 05:46 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Percy Harvin Not my job to worry about him. I'll leave that up to the coaches/players and I'll sit back and enjoy the game. foreverfan and savoyk like this.

11-23-2013, 05:49 PM	#3
FeelTheBrees Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 60	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Not my job to worry about him. I'll leave that up to the coaches/players and I'll sit back and enjoy the game. Dang - I was really hoping Sean himself would reply... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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11-23-2013, 05:49 PM	#4
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Percy Harvin Think we have the corners to keep up with him and we've played him before so it won't be such a surprise.
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11-23-2013, 06:15 PM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Percy Harvin he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant

11-27-2013, 09:53 AM	#6
ChromeSeahwk Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 13	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by hagan714 he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations. Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches. Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches. Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players. As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone. Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.
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11-27-2013, 09:57 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations. Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches. Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches. Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players. As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone. Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night. It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.

11-27-2013, 11:25 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by ChromeSeahwk Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations. Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches. Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches. Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players. As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone. Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night. Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right? SaintsBro likes this.

11-27-2013, 11:57 AM	#9
ChromeSeahwk Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 13	Re: Percy Harvin Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right? Yep, they are bad (28th vs the pass DVOA), but whether they are good or bad, but he's still going to affect your defense in the same manner - if he doesn't then he'll likely be open. This week will certainly be a lot more telling given that the Saints are the 5th ranked vs the pass DVOA
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11-27-2013, 12:03 PM	#10
swampking Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 23	Re: Percy Harvin Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson. BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.
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