Percy Harvin
 

Played his first game last week to knock some rust off and now has a few weeks to rest up a bit. He is a very scary weapon when healthy. Is anyone worried he might have a coming out party against us?

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Not my job to worry about him. I'll leave that up to the coaches/players and I'll sit back and enjoy the game.

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Think we have the corners to keep up with him and we've played him before so it won't be such a surprise.

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Dang - I was really hoping Sean himself would reply...

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he will give them some flash but he will also lay more than one egg on the field also, thats the knock on him from day one, explosive but inconstant

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There was something about Percy Harvin that had Minnesota none-too-concerned about sending him to Seattle ... was it the injury bug? attitude? I can't remember, but there was something that made you think that while he would catch some passes in Seattle, he wasn't gonna' be the superstar the Seahawks thought they were getting.

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If he shakes our db.'s a few times, worry!! The guy when he is on is good.

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Golden Tate will be the nuisance, not Harvin. Although I'd try not to kick it to him if possible.

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Keenan Lewis will probably take away Tate from the game. Lewis has already shut down better WRs than him this year.

I like the matchup of Corey White on Doug Baldwin as long as White plays physical with him.

Harvin is Seattle's slot WR. That's Chris Carr's assignment. Vaccaro also plays slot sometimes if I'm not mistaken. Harvin will get his yards, no doubt, but he won't have a field day imo.

Our secondary is good. I like how we matchup with their WRs. Combine that with our DL, which is one of the best at getting after the QB, and I don't think Russell Wilson has a big game. Shutting down Marshawn Lynch will be a bigger problem.

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When he was with the Vikings, Harvin was touted as great, but he was pretty much of a non-factor and disappeared during the NFC Championship game. He had a nice fumble in that game, I think it led to one of our scores. He is a good receiver, but he is a little soft and somewhat injury prone, he does not respond well to physicality. He may make a play or two, early on, but after a few hits, I expect he will likely "disappear" much like he did in the NFC Championship game. So far this season, the Rob Ryan defense has done a superb job of neutralizing the "star" weapons on the other team, whether they are rushing or receiving threats -- the big players tend to make a few plays early on, then disappear.

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Yea what he said

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Red Zone defense.

We have it.

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He struggles with migraine headaches from time to time. Been having them since college. He's missed games with them they so bad.

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Hey you took a shot.

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he'll probably get a headache

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yawn

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According to Seattle, that has been cured. Something about sleep apnea ...time will tell I guess. He is a fumbler. As it's been a while, he's likely due for one or two.

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Well... he did not practice yesterday ...

Seahawks.NET - The Voice of the 12th Man! • View topic - Percy Harvin didn't practice today. As per Pete

Is panic mode beginning out west?

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Just because a player fumbled once in a big game vs your team doesn't make them a "Fumbler" in all situations.

Harvin has had 6 fumbles TOTAL in his NFL career - He's got 281 receptions and 107 rushes in his career for a total of 388 total "touches" - Divide that by 6 fumbles and you get a statistic that says he has fumbled on 1.55% of those touches.

Colston by comparison has 575 receptions and 2 total rushes for a total of 577 total "touches". He has fumbled 9 total times in his career - Divdie those and you get a 1.56% percentage of fumbles to touches.

Unfortunately I don't have any stats at the ready for the overall league and this appears to be LOST fumbles and not how many times the player put it on the ground....but I still think it is a decent comparison to show he doesn't appear to be any more fumble prone than other players.

As for comments about Harvin lacking physicality, I don't know where you developed those, but he's a guy who will frequently initiate hits on players at the end of plays rather than running out of bounds.....it is actually one of the reason he has been somewhat injury prone.

Finally, while the Hawks will gladly take what receptions and big plays from Harvin that we can get out of him, one of the biggest things he's done for the offense is to take "the top off the defense". Harvin is so fast that he often commands a double team or safety help. In his limited plays with Seattle so far, this has left our other receivers in one on one situations that they have consistently been able to win. That's one of the things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet...and we hope and expect it to continue on Monday night.

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Nope, it has not been uncommon for players recently returned from injury to not practice on Tuesdays thus far this year. If he doesn't practice on Thursday....that's a different story. (Not certain that they ARE practicing that day though as it is Thanksgiving)

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It might be a more telling stat if it were divided up between his rushing stats and receiving stats. My sense is that the percentage you just gave us would go up significantly if only Percy's rushing plays were factored in. It is rarer for WR to develop fumble-itis.

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Didn't he sit last game with a hammy? It may still be lingering.

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Umm, you are aware that his "limited play" has been limited entirely to that against arguably the worst pass defense in the NFL, right?

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he'd have more fumbles if he was ever healthy

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Stop Lynch and nothing else matters.

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Looks like 3 fumbles while Rushing and 3 fumbles while receiving.....based on the fact that he has roughly 3 times as many receptions as carries, you are correct - he has fumbled on a higher percentage of rushes than catches. Kind of logical really when you think about it though, given how there are more hands in on tackles and such while rushing. Interesting nevertheless :)
And Exile no, he did NOT sit out last game with a hammy, it was his first game on the active roster and he played the entire game. 1 reception and 1 kick returned. He was however a bigger factor than appears though because of what I mentioned in my previous post....he pulled coverage towards him allowing other Seahawks receivers to get open.

ScottF – That’s EXACTLY why I gave you guys a ratio of fumbles to touches – Statistically he probably would NOT have that different of a ratio if he had missed less time.

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Yep, they are bad (28th vs the pass DVOA), but whether they are good or bad, but he's still going to affect your defense in the same manner - if he doesn't then he'll likely be open. This week will certainly be a lot more telling given that the Saints are the 5th ranked vs the pass DVOA :)

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Harvin is not going to be the problem, Wilson is. We have to maintain our gaps and not be fooled by the play one way then a qb keeper by Wilson.
BOX HIM IN AND MAKE HIM THROW FROM THE POCKET. He is very good on the roll out.

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You do realize that Harvin was an MVP candidate before he got injured last year but he isn't going to be the problem?? Wow, I am going to have to suspend you from this board for violating the Boards drug policy effective immediately!!

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So was Adrian Peterson and he has not been anywhere near as affective as last season. Harvin is on a different team, in a different season after an extended leave due to injury. To anticipate that he would be anywhere close to where he was last season is shortsighted, at best.

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Exactly, if the front four can get pressure doesn't matter who is open. Got to watch the quick dumps over the line, Harvin with space is dangerous.

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Why would that be shortsighted? Did you watch the Minnesota Game? He made an instant impact freeing up wide recievers and creating space for Lynch. It would also be short sighted to suggest he won't make an impact, especially since you guys have no idea how he will be used. Tate, Wilson, Lynch and Harvin. I don't envy Rob Ryan...

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Your pass rush consists of Cameron Jordan and Junior Galette. Well gentlemen, meet our Pro Bowl left Tackle Russell Okung and All Pro Center Max Unger. :)

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Your pass blocking consists of Left Tackle Russell Okung and Center Max Unger. Well, Russell, meet Cameron Jordan and Junior Galette.

There, fixed that for you.

Alaska

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Thaaaannnkks LOL. Living up in Alaska how did you become a Saints fan?

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Lol, I'm a Hawks fan and this made even me laugh.....

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Jordan is 7th in the league in sack numbers, so laugh all you want... :bng:

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Grew up on NOLA. Travel to games often, home and away.

Alaska

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Actually, Seahawks fans should be hoping that the Saints defense doesn't take the "top off" of Percy Harvin, not the other way 'round. Harvin has not played against a stout physical defense in a playoff-level game for quite some time. Are Seattle fans confident, given his history, that he be able to take the punishment that is in store for him, let alone make a run into the playoffs...the Saints are not the same thing defensively as the 2-8 Vikings....if Harvin (or any receiver) exposes himself, or Wilson makes an errant throw, the Saints WILL take the (legal) shot at him:


Who knows....A few friendly introductions to Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, or Kenny Vaccaro, may make Percy Harvin decide that being able to walk after his football career, is worth more to him than the Seahawks precious Monday night win streak at the C-Link. When I think of Percy Harvin's lengthy history of ankle, hip, shoulder, leg and migraine issues, it does not inspire much confidence in me, that he is a tough guy, or able to play through pain. And his reliability in the Seahawks offense is... completely untested, and that's putting it politely.

Thinking also of kick returns, because that is part of Harvin's specialty....I am remembering how Cowboys special teams star and receiver Dwayne Harris left the game against the Saints with neck and shoulder injuries, sustained on a kick return, and he was not a real factor in the rest of the game, beyond the first quarter. At the time Dallas was #2 in the NFL in kick returns.