Mike D on Brooks

JKool · 10-21-2004, 04:28 PM

Syco,

Look at you makin\' good points all over the place. We have certainly picked up a couple of good posters over the last two weeks. Welcome, in case I forgot to before.

Here is something you\'ve said, that I\'d like to discuss: \"However if he cant lead us to wins he isnt a great QB.\"

Do you really think this is true? I know this is kind of an old argument, but I\'ll make it again. (Notice the numbering of the points to make it seem more badazz - read convincing - than it is.)

1. Football is a team sport, but individual players have skills and talents that make them good/bad independent of who plays around them. This is how scouts make decisions about who to draft, trade for, etc.
2. The player is evaluated as an individual when it comes to assessing his draft status, trade value, etc.
3. Whether the team wins or loses does not depend on one player\'s skills and talents, but a combination of his with the other players and the game plan.

Thus, when a team does not win, I don\'t see how it reflects on the skills or talents of any one player. Sure sometimes it is the case that one player costs the team the game and sometimes one guy wins it for you, but more often than not that is not the case (and even then an argument can be made that it is the team that puts the player in a position - with respect to score, etc - to win or lose the game).

Thus, I don\'t see how winning or losing can have much to do with whether or not some guy is good (with respect to skill and talent), or even great, at his position, regardless of the position.

What say you?

10-21-2004, 04:28 PM	#11
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Mike D on Brooks Syco, Look at you makin\' good points all over the place. We have certainly picked up a couple of good posters over the last two weeks. Welcome, in case I forgot to before. Here is something you\'ve said, that I\'d like to discuss: \"However if he cant lead us to wins he isnt a great QB.\" Do you really think this is true? I know this is kind of an old argument, but I\'ll make it again. (Notice the numbering of the points to make it seem more badazz - read convincing - than it is.) 1. Football is a team sport, but individual players have skills and talents that make them good/bad independent of who plays around them. This is how scouts make decisions about who to draft, trade for, etc. 2. The player is evaluated as an individual when it comes to assessing his draft status, trade value, etc. 3. Whether the team wins or loses does not depend on one player\'s skills and talents, but a combination of his with the other players and the game plan. Thus, when a team does not win, I don\'t see how it reflects on the skills or talents of any one player. Sure sometimes it is the case that one player costs the team the game and sometimes one guy wins it for you, but more often than not that is not the case (and even then an argument can be made that it is the team that puts the player in a position - with respect to score, etc - to win or lose the game). Thus, I don\'t see how winning or losing can have much to do with whether or not some guy is good (with respect to skill and talent), or even great, at his position, regardless of the position. What say you?
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