Beware the 12th Man

TheOak · 11-29-2013, 08:00 PM

A nickname you have earned through tradition is one that makes a statement. It's an honor bestowed by opponents.

Seattle paying a licensing fee ($100,000 +7,500/year) to A&M for pseudo street-cred is pretty pathetic.

ScottF · 11-29-2013, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A nickname you have earned through tradition is one that makes a statement. It's an honor bestowed my opponents.

Seattle paying a licensing fee ($100,000 +7,500/year) to A&M for pseudo street-cred is pretty pathetic.

In January 2006, Texas A&M filed suit against the Seattle Seahawks to protect the trademark and in May 2006, the dispute was settled out of court. In the agreement, Texas A&M licensed the Seahawks to continue using the phrase "12th Man" in exchange for financial compensation along with public acknowledgement by the NFL franchise as to Texas A&M's ownership of the phrase.

Is this the same as buying yourself a "World's Best Boss" mug?

SloMotion · 11-30-2013, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by 12th fan

We see this alot but the reality is the 12th man saying has been used by many organizations over the years it wasn't until Texas seen they could both profit from it as well as get recognition that they decided to even trademark the saying.

The Seahawks retired the number 12 in 1984 to honor fans who made the old Kingdome one of the noisiest stadiums in football. An official registration of the mark was filed by Texas A&M (U.S. Reg. No. 1948306) in December 1989 and it wasn't until super bowl XL in 2005 that hosted the Seahawks and Steelers that Texas decided to file a lawsuit.

You miss the point entirely and couldn't be any more wrong. Yes, the term "12th man" has been used loosely to describe a loud home crowd, but some are steeped with history & tradition, particularly at A&M. Seattle's attempt to infringe on this tradition in order to build some kind of history/tradition of their own was merely called out by A&M. The fact Seattle agreed to license the phrase from A&M and admit A&M ownership of the phrase in an out of court settlement speaks volumes as to the Seahawk franchise's culpability in this matter. The time of any filings and the opinion that A&M's actions were spurred by profits have no merit.

The "12th man" tradition is something that was grown from great adversity, honor and respect at programs like A&M. You guys paid for that honor/tradition like you were shopping at a Walmart and treat it as a celebration of a loud, ill-mannered fan base that needs it's own local police force on hand at home games to ensure they maintain the most basic of civilities ... just sayin', who respects that kind of stuff?

... gotta' side with Texas A&M on this one.

The tradition of the Twelfth Man was born on the second of January 1922, when an underdog Aggie team was playing Centre College, then the nation's top ranked team. As the hard fought game wore on, and the Aggies dug deeply into their limited reserves, Coach Dana X. Bible remembered a squad man who was not in uniform. He had been up in the press box helping reporters identify players. His name was E. King Gill, and was a former football player who was only playing basketball. Gill was called from the stands, suited up, and stood ready throughout the rest of the game, which A&M finally won 22-14. When the game ended, E. King Gill was the only man left standing on the sidelines for the Aggies. Gill later said, "I wish I could say that I went in and ran for the winning touchdown, but I did not. I simply stood by in case my team needed me."

This gesture was more than enough for the Aggie Team. Although Gill did not play in the game, he had accepted the call to help his team. He came to be thought of as the Twelfth Man because he stood ready for duty in the event that the eleven men on the gridiron needed assistance. That spirit of readiness for service, desire to support, and enthusiasm helped kindle a flame of devotion among the entire student body; a spirit that has grown vigorously throughout the years. The entire student body at A&M is the Twelfth Man, and they stand during the entire game to show their support. The 12th Man is always in the stands waiting to be called upon if they are needed ... read more: Aggie Traditions - Twelfth Man

SloMotion · 12-01-2013, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by 12th fan

WOW, that is some kind of reach there. I understand you want to hate the Seahawks and probably their fan base but your coming across in your point more like a jealous girlfriend ... The reality is hardly anyone could have told you who invented the phrase but even now and even with the benefit of the lawsuit, trademark and compensation pretty much everyone recognizes the 12th man as the Seattle Seahawks fan base. Like it or not you know it's true just like you probably didn't know it was Texas that started the phrase to begin with.

Not a reach at all and you couldn't be more wrong again. I could care less about your team other than it is a tad bit annoying when the "Seachildren" descend upon your board like a flock of seagulls chasing after doughballs in a parking lot.

You see, Skippy, you insult people's intelligence with your imitation, SanFrancisco FortyNiner drive-by message board tactics (probably where you all picked it up from) and your self-serving, weak, Wikipedia-based interpretation of the facts and football history.

The reality is hardly anyone under 20 or 30 and with no real knowledge of football living inside of Greater Seattle (and there seems to be quite a few of you, just sayin',

) could have told you who invented the phrase. You've all been brainwashed.

Now, I think it's admirable how the parents in Seattle allow their kids so much unsupervised free time on the computer, but how 'bout letting the adults talk, eh?

SmashMouth · 11-30-2013, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A nickname you have earned through tradition is one that makes a statement. It's an honor bestowed my opponents.

Seattle paying a licensing fee ($100,000 +7,500/year) to A&M for pseudo street-cred is pretty pathetic.

Seems kinda cheap.... Maybe they should renegotiate.

ScottF · 11-30-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Seems kinda cheap.... Maybe they should renegotiate.

they can't pay any more than that- PED's are expensive

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Beware the 12th Man Originally Posted by TheOak A nickname you have earned through tradition is one that makes a statement. It's an honor bestowed my opponents. Seattle paying a licensing fee ($100,000 +7,500/year) to A&M for pseudo street-cred is pretty pathetic. In January 2006, Texas A&M filed suit against the Seattle Seahawks to protect the trademark and in May 2006, the dispute was settled out of court. In the agreement, Texas A&M licensed the Seahawks to continue using the phrase "12th Man" in exchange for financial compensation along with public acknowledgement by the NFL franchise as to Texas A&M's ownership of the phrase. Is this the same as buying yourself a "World's Best Boss" mug? SapperSaint, SloMotion and Schmohams like this.

11-30-2013, 05:27 AM	#3
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Beware the 12th Man Originally Posted by 12th fan We see this alot but the reality is the 12th man saying has been used by many organizations over the years it wasn't until Texas seen they could both profit from it as well as get recognition that they decided to even trademark the saying. The Seahawks retired the number 12 in 1984 to honor fans who made the old Kingdome one of the noisiest stadiums in football. An official registration of the mark was filed by Texas A&M (U.S. Reg. No. 1948306) in December 1989 and it wasn't until super bowl XL in 2005 that hosted the Seahawks and Steelers that Texas decided to file a lawsuit. You miss the point entirely and couldn't be any more wrong. Yes, the term "12th man" has been used loosely to describe a loud home crowd, but some are steeped with history & tradition, particularly at A&M. Seattle's attempt to infringe on this tradition in order to build some kind of history/tradition of their own was merely called out by A&M. The fact Seattle agreed to license the phrase from A&M and admit A&M ownership of the phrase in an out of court settlement speaks volumes as to the Seahawk franchise's culpability in this matter. The time of any filings and the opinion that A&M's actions were spurred by profits have no merit. The "12th man" tradition is something that was grown from great adversity, honor and respect at programs like A&M. You guys paid for that honor/tradition like you were shopping at a Walmart and treat it as a celebration of a loud, ill-mannered fan base that needs it's own local police force on hand at home games to ensure they maintain the most basic of civilities ... just sayin', who respects that kind of stuff? ... gotta' side with Texas A&M on this one. The tradition of the Twelfth Man was born on the second of January 1922, when an underdog Aggie team was playing Centre College, then the nation's top ranked team. As the hard fought game wore on, and the Aggies dug deeply into their limited reserves, Coach Dana X. Bible remembered a squad man who was not in uniform. He had been up in the press box helping reporters identify players. His name was E. King Gill, and was a former football player who was only playing basketball. Gill was called from the stands, suited up, and stood ready throughout the rest of the game, which A&M finally won 22-14. When the game ended, E. King Gill was the only man left standing on the sidelines for the Aggies. Gill later said, "I wish I could say that I went in and ran for the winning touchdown, but I did not. I simply stood by in case my team needed me." This gesture was more than enough for the Aggie Team. Although Gill did not play in the game, he had accepted the call to help his team. He came to be thought of as the Twelfth Man because he stood ready for duty in the event that the eleven men on the gridiron needed assistance. That spirit of readiness for service, desire to support, and enthusiasm helped kindle a flame of devotion among the entire student body; a spirit that has grown vigorously throughout the years. The entire student body at A&M is the Twelfth Man, and they stand during the entire game to show their support. The 12th Man is always in the stands waiting to be called upon if they are needed ... read more: Aggie Traditions - Twelfth Man SapperSaint, ScottF, TheOak and 1 others like this.

12-01-2013, 05:10 AM	#4
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Beware the 12th Man Originally Posted by 12th fan WOW, that is some kind of reach there. I understand you want to hate the Seahawks and probably their fan base but your coming across in your point more like a jealous girlfriend ... The reality is hardly anyone could have told you who invented the phrase but even now and even with the benefit of the lawsuit, trademark and compensation pretty much everyone recognizes the 12th man as the Seattle Seahawks fan base. Like it or not you know it's true just like you probably didn't know it was Texas that started the phrase to begin with. Not a reach at all and you couldn't be more wrong again. I could care less about your team other than it is a tad bit annoying when the "Seachildren" descend upon your board like a flock of seagulls chasing after doughballs in a parking lot. You see, Skippy, you insult people's intelligence with your imitation, SanFrancisco FortyNiner drive-by message board tactics (probably where you all picked it up from) and your self-serving, weak, Wikipedia-based interpretation of the facts and football history. The reality is hardly anyone under 20 or 30 and with no real knowledge of football living inside of Greater Seattle (and there seems to be quite a few of you, just sayin', ) could have told you who invented the phrase. You've all been brainwashed. Now, I think it's admirable how the parents in Seattle allow their kids so much unsupervised free time on the computer, but how 'bout letting the adults talk, eh? ScottF and pherein like this.

11-30-2013, 06:10 AM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,720 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Beware the 12th Man Originally Posted by TheOak A nickname you have earned through tradition is one that makes a statement. It's an honor bestowed my opponents. Seattle paying a licensing fee ($100,000 +7,500/year) to A&M for pseudo street-cred is pretty pathetic. Seems kinda cheap.... Maybe they should renegotiate.

11-30-2013, 09:55 AM	#6
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Beware the 12th Man Originally Posted by SmashMouth Seems kinda cheap.... Maybe they should renegotiate. they can't pay any more than that- PED's are expensive

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