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Here is the catch.. Even if we matched Nicks offer would you be ok with paying 14.8M to nicks? That is his cap hit in 2012.
Carl Nicks Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions

So in 2012 Drews new contract opened up 1.3M and Nicks went from 2.6M in 2011 to 14.8M in 2012 +10.2 million Dollars. That is = to Jhari Evans and Colston combined.

17M Cap hit is too much for Drew but 15m is ok for a guard? Sorry, not buying that crapola.

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I never said match, I said if he would have taken basically what we offered.
No lineman is worth what Tampa gave him.

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It wasn't directed at you. I was probably composing when you posted.

Nicks, Bushrod, Fujita... All left for more than we were going to pay. Nothing to do with Brees.

When he restructures in the offseason his contract will not have affected our oline one bit.

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Yeah, but Tampa structured it that way to take advantage of all the cap space they had at the time. In 2013 his cap hit is a whopping 3 million (LOL!!!)

2012- 15 million
2013- 3 million
2014- 9 million
2015- 10 million
2016- 10 million

Basically he's a 9 million/year O-lineman.

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Making Nicks the highest paid/year guard in the NFL. No team can afford two of them AND a top shelf LT.
2013 NFL Top Average Salaries - Guard
2013 NFL Top Average Salaries - Left Tackle

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Notice the teams on both top 10s change.

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You aren't gonna get roasted by me. I'm seeing the same thing. Receivers slow off the line -- not getting to the ball. Maybe that's why we see Drew throwing it short.

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The Center has to have the highest football IQ of all the linemen. This had always been the standard.

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I wonder if this cat has a future at Center?

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De la Puenta is our Center by default... not skill.

He became the starting Center when Kreutz retired mid season in 2011. before that he played for Seattle x2, San Francisco x2, Carolina, and Kansas City all in a matter of 4 years. Never Starting until Kreutz got hurt and retired.

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I have been waiting to see him snap in a game but I dont think its happened. Who was at Center for the preseason?

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Looks like Tim started at Center for the Miami game in preseason. Lelito graded out better than DLP in preseason.. it was however preseason..

Eric Olsen graded fairly well in preseason but he is in Pittsburgh now.

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For the people that want to get rid of Brown because of the Rams game.. is it because of the penalties or his play? The penalties are inexcusable but what sort of play do we expect from a player going up against Robert Quinn?

Robert Quinn is the best 3-4 DE in the league and leads the NFL in sacks. While it was Charls Brown's worst game this season it wasn't Robert Quinn's best game.

Robert Quinn against the Saints
QB HU - 7
QB Hit - 1
QB Sack -1

Against Chicago Quinn had
QB HU- 8
QB Hit -2
QB Sack -1

Against Jacksonville
QB Hit -4
QB HU - 5

Against Atl
QB HU -6
QB Hit - 4
QB Sack - 1

Against Seattle
QB HU- 1
QB Hit - 2
Qb Sack - 3

William Hayes on the other side of their defense against Strief/Evans
QB HU- 3
QB Hit - 1
QB Sack - 1

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with drew at QB and his pocket awareness center play and guard play is key. they must form and hold the pocket. this is an area of major concern for me.

LT has to make sure he does not give up the inside rush and must be quick enough ride a defender wide. thats were stepping up into the pocket is key. Brown was unable to do this.

in his defense the OC play has been off and on all season to say the least.