Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown

mony_b22 · 12-18-2013, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Penalties are all mental and clearly Browns head was in a funk... This is why I think payton replaced him with Strief. Not looking to get better play against the leagues best DE but to get the same play with out the drive and momentum killing penalties.

Are you saying all penalties are mental or just pre snap? Cause I don't think all penalties are mental. It can be anywhere from bad technique to flat out getting beat and doing what you can do and hope u don't get caught. In that game, it was all the above.

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 01:07 PM

I said Browns penalties were mental. Brown had 4 penalties 2 holding and 2 illegal use of hands. These guys know what they are doing, and bad technique is mental.

A lot of people didn't have their head in the game last week
New Orleans Saints @ St. Louis Rams - 12/15/2013 - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

SaintsBro · 12-18-2013, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by mony_b22

Are you saying all penalties are mental or just pre snap? Cause I don't think all penalties are mental. It can be anywhere from bad technique to flat out getting beat and doing what you can do and hope u don't get caught. In that game, it was all the above.

How dare you question the Resident Football Swami! He knows everything about everything!

Jack Vegas · 12-18-2013, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by mony_b22

You are right but the eye in the sky doesn't lie. Did you ever see progression from brown? Remember he has had starts in others seasons and should have a seasons worth if not more. Some guys have it and some don't. Maybe the light switch comes on for brown, but it won't be in a saints uni.

Sure, I've seen progression from Brown. I am not saying I want him to be the starting LT for this team in the future, but he's gone up against some pretty good pass rushers this season and did OK. I think it is easy to blame him because he's clearly the weak link on the o-line, but how come he rarely struggles at home? I think the offense has communication issues in road games that make the o-line as a whole look a lot worse than they really are.

I don't care for Brown, never have, happy to see Armstead or Strief or whoever step into his place. I just think people are overstating things a little bit in regards to how bad he's played at times.

Luda34 · 12-18-2013, 01:30 PM

Bushrod is better than these two sorry son of wow wow we have on our team. Bushrod isn't one of the best tackles in the league but Brown hasn't showed me a damn thing since we drafted him and Streif is it me are this guy can't move at all.

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 01:35 PM

Putting Bryce Harris in didn't help much either so we shouldn't hope he is any sort of an answer.

Brown in 48 snaps LT
2 sacks 2 hits and 1 hurry up

Harris 46 snaps RT
1 sack 1 hit 4 Hurry ups

Jack Vegas · 12-18-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Putting Bryce Harris in didn't help much either so we shouldn't hope he is any sort of an answer.

Brown in 48 snaps LT
2 sacks 2 hits and 1 hurry up

Harris 46 snaps RT
1 sack 1 hit 4 Hurry ups

I imagine this is the reason Payton is playing Armstead instead of Strief at left tackle. At least you know Strief will pretty much hold down the right side, so even if Armstead sucks at least you know you've only got to worry about one side instead of both.

TheOak · 12-18-2013, 02:05 PM

Expect us to run left and keep their DE/DT home.

12-18-2013, 12:58 PM	#11
mony_b22 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 7	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Originally Posted by TheOak Penalties are all mental and clearly Browns head was in a funk... This is why I think payton replaced him with Strief. Not looking to get better play against the leagues best DE but to get the same play with out the drive and momentum killing penalties. Are you saying all penalties are mental or just pre snap? Cause I don't think all penalties are mental. It can be anywhere from bad technique to flat out getting beat and doing what you can do and hope u don't get caught. In that game, it was all the above.
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12-18-2013, 01:07 PM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown I said Browns penalties were mental. Brown had 4 penalties 2 holding and 2 illegal use of hands. These guys know what they are doing, and bad technique is mental. A lot of people didn't have their head in the game last week New Orleans Saints @ St. Louis Rams - 12/15/2013 - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Originally Posted by mony_b22 Are you saying all penalties are mental or just pre snap? Cause I don't think all penalties are mental. It can be anywhere from bad technique to flat out getting beat and doing what you can do and hope u don't get caught. In that game, it was all the above. How dare you question the Resident Football Swami! He knows everything about everything!

12-18-2013, 01:22 PM	#14
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Originally Posted by mony_b22 You are right but the eye in the sky doesn't lie. Did you ever see progression from brown? Remember he has had starts in others seasons and should have a seasons worth if not more. Some guys have it and some don't. Maybe the light switch comes on for brown, but it won't be in a saints uni. Sure, I've seen progression from Brown. I am not saying I want him to be the starting LT for this team in the future, but he's gone up against some pretty good pass rushers this season and did OK. I think it is easy to blame him because he's clearly the weak link on the o-line, but how come he rarely struggles at home? I think the offense has communication issues in road games that make the o-line as a whole look a lot worse than they really are. I don't care for Brown, never have, happy to see Armstead or Strief or whoever step into his place. I just think people are overstating things a little bit in regards to how bad he's played at times.
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12-18-2013, 01:30 PM	#15
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Bushrod is better than these two sorry son of wow wow we have on our team. Bushrod isn't one of the best tackles in the league but Brown hasn't showed me a damn thing since we drafted him and Streif is it me are this guy can't move at all.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Putting Bryce Harris in didn't help much either so we shouldn't hope he is any sort of an answer. Brown in 48 snaps LT 2 sacks 2 hits and 1 hurry up Harris 46 snaps RT 1 sack 1 hit 4 Hurry ups

12-18-2013, 01:52 PM	#17
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Originally Posted by TheOak Putting Bryce Harris in didn't help much either so we shouldn't hope he is any sort of an answer. Brown in 48 snaps LT 2 sacks 2 hits and 1 hurry up Harris 46 snaps RT 1 sack 1 hit 4 Hurry ups I imagine this is the reason Payton is playing Armstead instead of Strief at left tackle. At least you know Strief will pretty much hold down the right side, so even if Armstead sucks at least you know you've only got to worry about one side instead of both.
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12-18-2013, 02:05 PM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Robert Quin (Rams DE) Bushrod vs Brown Expect us to run left and keep their DE/DT home.

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