What are you most dissappointed with?

vulture · 10-26-2004, 12:05 AM

For me, it has to be the play of the offensive line. Don't get me wrong it isn't the worst position on the team but by far the most dissappointing. What happened to being one of the most dominant and deepest lines in the league?

RockyMountainSaint · 10-26-2004, 01:51 AM

Losing is the most disappointing thing. I don\'t have all of the answers to fix things. Some people are getting paid a lot of money to have the answers and they obviously don\'t have them either. I spend money and more importantly to me I spend my time supporting this team. That leads me to believe that ownership is at fault for not bringing in or not replacing suboordinates that do not produce. He (Mr Benson) is still selling out the stadium and making a LOT of money no matter what he says to the press. Bottom line to me is our owner is content with the status quo. I\'m just glad that I now live in Colorado and am not tempted to buy season tickets for me and my son (we are both HUGE Saints fans) and we will both be much better skiers come draft day.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-26-2004, 06:33 AM

For me, it has to be the play of the offensive line. Don\'t get me wrong it isn\'t the worst position on the team but by far the most dissappointing. What happened to being one of the most dominant and deepest lines in the league?

While I blame the offensive line for the silly mistakes, I believe that the overall failure of the offense is because of the scheme. McCarthy still believes that he can just line up and road grade opposing defenses. Scheme makes a difference. How is it that Denver can take a guy off the street and turn them into a 1000 yd back? Scheme.

My biggest disappointment is the defensive line by far. It was supposed to be the strength of the defense and was supposed to dominate the opposing offenses. They haven\'t been close. Poor gap control and a lack of a pass rush has led to comfortable QBs and running backs pretty much having their way with the entire defense.

SFIAH

BiggPoppaFro3 · 10-26-2004, 09:36 AM

Agree on the D-line. D in general, really. We have as much talent as a team like the NY Jets (and speed as well) but we are 3-4 and they are 5-1.

Say what you want about our sked vs. theirs, but we should be 5-2 if not 6-1 (MIN game was totally winable). You just can\'t get there by allowing other offenses to hang 30 or more on you at a pop.

Don\'t think this means you are off the hook though, Stallworth.

oh yeah, and Venturi sucks.

[Edited on 26/10/2004 by BiggPoppaFro3]

johnnythesaint · 10-26-2004, 10:12 AM

The most disappointing thing? Deuces inability to run the rock. Alot of people are gonna jump on him playing hurt, but look around the league the \'best\' all play hurt, in many ways that\'s what defines the team\'s character. Priest is banged up,Curtis had to sit out preseason to have enough \'juice\' to play, and lots of other teams have no-names stepping up to set the tone on offence. If he is too hurt to be effective why not be a real leader and sit. Otherwise start chewing up the field early on, and making plays like marquee players are paid to do!!

saintswhodi · 10-26-2004, 10:23 AM

I don\'t think it is Deuce\'s running as much as it has been McCarthy\'s play-calling. Against the Raiders yes, Deuce missed some holes Karney opened for him, but that trust will come in time. My biggest frustration is with a coordinator who takes an offense with a 1600 yard runner and changes it. WTF is that? And stays with it when it is not working. And God forbid we get down by any amount of points cause he will have Brooks throwing every down like his life depends on it. Once they realize the full back set is the best set, and they also need to pass from this formationand not just run, Deuce will look like his old self.

johnnythesaint · 10-26-2004, 10:43 AM

I suppose you might have a point. We abandon the run way too fast. But the crux of my argument is that he needs to set the tone early on. Correct me if Im wrong but they did cow-tow to his demands for a lead blocker, they call his number early and often. So what if teams know what\'s comin\' , the same could be said of last year, we still had success. Karney is getting better with each game, try to find one fan to say otherwise. Deuce is rapidly becoming a hindrance to an offence that was designed around him. I believe if he can come out of the bye week firing on all cylinders, then just watch everything else open up. It won\'t be long before people start lauding Mcarthy, although admittedly he\'s no great innovator. On a side note, I think the defence will be a recurring achilles heel regardless of what Deuce does or does\'nt do

ScottyRo · 10-26-2004, 11:44 AM

Other than what\'s already been mentioned...the TEs inability to catch the ball. Lamont Hall (not known for his ability to catch) showed up both starting TEs by making a spectacular catch in traffic. Boo and Ernie need to spend time with AB everyday after practice catching 10 yard passes. Add Stallworth to that list as well.

Another dissapointment was finding out what a monster Karney can be catching the ball in the flat and seeing it not utilized by McCarthy at least twice per game. Not only is the play likely to gain yards everytime, but Karney will deliver punishment to whichever CB or LB tries to come up and stop him.

Offseason disspointment...McCarthy didn\'t lose play calling responsibilities/Venturi didn\'t get the axe.

VaeVictus · 10-26-2004, 01:30 PM

1) defense
2) offensive line
3) lack of passion
4) no changing of gameplan
5) complete underachievement of entire team

Euphoria · 10-26-2004, 03:16 PM

the win-lost column

10-26-2004, 12:05 AM	#1
vulture Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 83	What are you most dissappointed with? For me, it has to be the play of the offensive line. Don't get me wrong it isn't the worst position on the team but by far the most dissappointing. What happened to being one of the most dominant and deepest lines in the league?
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10-26-2004, 01:51 AM	#2
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	What are you most dissappointed with? Losing is the most disappointing thing. I don\'t have all of the answers to fix things. Some people are getting paid a lot of money to have the answers and they obviously don\'t have them either. I spend money and more importantly to me I spend my time supporting this team. That leads me to believe that ownership is at fault for not bringing in or not replacing suboordinates that do not produce. He (Mr Benson) is still selling out the stadium and making a LOT of money no matter what he says to the press. Bottom line to me is our owner is content with the status quo. I\'m just glad that I now live in Colorado and am not tempted to buy season tickets for me and my son (we are both HUGE Saints fans) and we will both be much better skiers come draft day.
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10-26-2004, 06:33 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	What are you most dissappointed with? For me, it has to be the play of the offensive line. Don\'t get me wrong it isn\'t the worst position on the team but by far the most dissappointing. What happened to being one of the most dominant and deepest lines in the league? While I blame the offensive line for the silly mistakes, I believe that the overall failure of the offense is because of the scheme. McCarthy still believes that he can just line up and road grade opposing defenses. Scheme makes a difference. How is it that Denver can take a guy off the street and turn them into a 1000 yd back? Scheme. My biggest disappointment is the defensive line by far. It was supposed to be the strength of the defense and was supposed to dominate the opposing offenses. They haven\'t been close. Poor gap control and a lack of a pass rush has led to comfortable QBs and running backs pretty much having their way with the entire defense. SFIAH
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10-26-2004, 09:36 AM	#4
BiggPoppaFro3 Registered Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 71	What are you most dissappointed with? Agree on the D-line. D in general, really. We have as much talent as a team like the NY Jets (and speed as well) but we are 3-4 and they are 5-1. Say what you want about our sked vs. theirs, but we should be 5-2 if not 6-1 (MIN game was totally winable). You just can\'t get there by allowing other offenses to hang 30 or more on you at a pop. Don\'t think this means you are off the hook though, Stallworth. oh yeah, and Venturi sucks. [Edited on 26/10/2004 by BiggPoppaFro3]
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10-26-2004, 10:12 AM	#5
johnnythesaint 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 125	What are you most dissappointed with? The most disappointing thing? Deuces inability to run the rock. Alot of people are gonna jump on him playing hurt, but look around the league the \'best\' all play hurt, in many ways that\'s what defines the team\'s character. Priest is banged up,Curtis had to sit out preseason to have enough \'juice\' to play, and lots of other teams have no-names stepping up to set the tone on offence. If he is too hurt to be effective why not be a real leader and sit. Otherwise start chewing up the field early on, and making plays like marquee players are paid to do!!
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10-26-2004, 10:23 AM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	What are you most dissappointed with? I don\'t think it is Deuce\'s running as much as it has been McCarthy\'s play-calling. Against the Raiders yes, Deuce missed some holes Karney opened for him, but that trust will come in time. My biggest frustration is with a coordinator who takes an offense with a 1600 yard runner and changes it. WTF is that? And stays with it when it is not working. And God forbid we get down by any amount of points cause he will have Brooks throwing every down like his life depends on it. Once they realize the full back set is the best set, and they also need to pass from this formationand not just run, Deuce will look like his old self.

10-26-2004, 10:43 AM	#7
johnnythesaint 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 125	What are you most dissappointed with? I suppose you might have a point. We abandon the run way too fast. But the crux of my argument is that he needs to set the tone early on. Correct me if Im wrong but they did cow-tow to his demands for a lead blocker, they call his number early and often. So what if teams know what\'s comin\' , the same could be said of last year, we still had success. Karney is getting better with each game, try to find one fan to say otherwise. Deuce is rapidly becoming a hindrance to an offence that was designed around him. I believe if he can come out of the bye week firing on all cylinders, then just watch everything else open up. It won\'t be long before people start lauding Mcarthy, although admittedly he\'s no great innovator. On a side note, I think the defence will be a recurring achilles heel regardless of what Deuce does or does\'nt do
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10-26-2004, 11:44 AM	#8
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	What are you most dissappointed with? Other than what\'s already been mentioned...the TEs inability to catch the ball. Lamont Hall (not known for his ability to catch) showed up both starting TEs by making a spectacular catch in traffic. Boo and Ernie need to spend time with AB everyday after practice catching 10 yard passes. Add Stallworth to that list as well. Another dissapointment was finding out what a monster Karney can be catching the ball in the flat and seeing it not utilized by McCarthy at least twice per game. Not only is the play likely to gain yards everytime, but Karney will deliver punishment to whichever CB or LB tries to come up and stop him. Offseason disspointment...McCarthy didn\'t lose play calling responsibilities/Venturi didn\'t get the axe.

10-26-2004, 01:30 PM	#9
VaeVictus Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12	What are you most dissappointed with? 1) defense 2) offensive line 3) lack of passion 4) no changing of gameplan 5) complete underachievement of entire team
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10-26-2004, 03:16 PM	#10
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