I am almost done with Payton

ssvnewman · 12-22-2013, 05:34 PM

I do not think you can lay the blame on Payton, you have to remember what it was like before he came to the Saints! We were the laughing stock of the NFC . I put most of the blame on an offensive line that can not pass block , can not run block and seems to cause penalties at the worst time . Going to have to do some real soul searching on that offensive line during the off season and come back next year with a more balanced attack and take some of the pressure off of Drew! Just my opinion!

ikecomp · 12-22-2013, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by ssvnewman

I do not think you can lay the blame on Payton, you have to remember what it was like before he came to the Saints! We were the laughing stock of the NFC . I put most of the blame on an offensive line that can not pass block , can not run block and seems to cause penalties at the worst time . Going to have to do some real soul searching on that offensive line during the off season and come back next year with a more balanced attack and take some of the pressure off of Drew! Just my opinion!

Unfortunately, non of that is going to change until next season so it's on the head coach and play caller (one in the same) to put his players in the best position to succeed. He's not doing that.

pherein · 12-22-2013, 05:53 PM

I really dont think payton is the problem. The screen is designed to tire out the DL and relieve pressure. Panthers LB's are to quick. The screens were not executed well or blocked well. Same with the run plays.
Really didnt matter what payton called, the offense could not do it anyway.

WhoDat!656 · 12-22-2013, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

I really dont think payton is the problem. The screen is designed to tire out the DL and relieve pressure. Panthers LB's are to quick. The screens were not executed well or blocked well. Same with the run plays.
Really didnt matter what payton called, the offense could not do it anyway.

Then why keep calling them?

Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled.

ikecomp · 12-22-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Then why keep calling them?

Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled.

To be fair though he left with a injury for a little bit. By the time he got back in the game we were already playing not to lose so all of the plays called for him at that point were predictable.

pherein · 12-22-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Then why keep calling them?

Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled.

I dont think they were called to be honest. Just a theory, but the pressure was so bad, I think they started adding a screen as an option, and Brees used that option instead of throwing down field. I saw the Wr's going down field in patterns and not blocking. So, thats all I can come up with.
If we did call that many screens on purpose, I am wondering more, where was the blocking ? PT was infront of most of the blockers it seemed. Though I might be remembering wrong.

|Mitch| · 12-22-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

I am wondering more, where was the blocking ? PT was infront of most of the blockers it seemed. Though I might be remembering wrong.

A lot of the screens, the LB's just out ran the blocking linemen. That's what having fast LB's does for you...

pherein · 12-22-2013, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

A lot of the screens, the LB's just out ran the blocking linemen. That's what having fast LB's does for you...

yeah, they were very fast

12-22-2013, 05:34 PM	#1
ssvnewman Registered Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 38	Re: I am almost done with Payton I do not think you can lay the blame on Payton, you have to remember what it was like before he came to the Saints! We were the laughing stock of the NFC . I put most of the blame on an offensive line that can not pass block , can not run block and seems to cause penalties at the worst time . Going to have to do some real soul searching on that offensive line during the off season and come back next year with a more balanced attack and take some of the pressure off of Drew! Just my opinion!
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12-22-2013, 05:44 PM	#2
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: I am almost done with Payton Originally Posted by ssvnewman I do not think you can lay the blame on Payton, you have to remember what it was like before he came to the Saints! We were the laughing stock of the NFC . I put most of the blame on an offensive line that can not pass block , can not run block and seems to cause penalties at the worst time . Going to have to do some real soul searching on that offensive line during the off season and come back next year with a more balanced attack and take some of the pressure off of Drew! Just my opinion! Unfortunately, non of that is going to change until next season so it's on the head coach and play caller (one in the same) to put his players in the best position to succeed. He's not doing that.
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12-22-2013, 05:53 PM	#3
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I am almost done with Payton I really dont think payton is the problem. The screen is designed to tire out the DL and relieve pressure. Panthers LB's are to quick. The screens were not executed well or blocked well. Same with the run plays. Really didnt matter what payton called, the offense could not do it anyway. TheKillerBs likes this.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,097	Re: I am almost done with Payton Originally Posted by pherein I really dont think payton is the problem. The screen is designed to tire out the DL and relieve pressure. Panthers LB's are to quick. The screens were not executed well or blocked well. Same with the run plays. Really didnt matter what payton called, the offense could not do it anyway. Then why keep calling them? Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled. ScottF, dizzle88 and MarchingOn like this.

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: I am almost done with Payton Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Then why keep calling them? Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled. To be fair though he left with a injury for a little bit. By the time he got back in the game we were already playing not to lose so all of the plays called for him at that point were predictable.
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12-22-2013, 06:40 PM	#6
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I am almost done with Payton Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Then why keep calling them? Ingram was getting around 8 yds a carry and he gets pulled. I dont think they were called to be honest. Just a theory, but the pressure was so bad, I think they started adding a screen as an option, and Brees used that option instead of throwing down field. I saw the Wr's going down field in patterns and not blocking. So, thats all I can come up with. If we did call that many screens on purpose, I am wondering more, where was the blocking ? PT was infront of most of the blockers it seemed. Though I might be remembering wrong.

12-22-2013, 06:42 PM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: I am almost done with Payton Originally Posted by pherein I am wondering more, where was the blocking ? PT was infront of most of the blockers it seemed. Though I might be remembering wrong. A lot of the screens, the LB's just out ran the blocking linemen. That's what having fast LB's does for you... MarchingOn likes this.

12-22-2013, 06:48 PM	#8
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I am almost done with Payton Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| A lot of the screens, the LB's just out ran the blocking linemen. That's what having fast LB's does for you... yeah, they were very fast

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