Sean Payton's play calling

SaintsBro · 12-23-2013, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

And teams have picked up on his "feverish" ways.

Not only have they picked up on it, I believe they have learned how to induce it and cause him to get the "fever."

TheOak · 12-26-2013, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

I mostly agree with this sentiment but you gotta admit the safe play calling to not lose games hasn't been working as of late. When the game was close in Atlanta back in November we ran a play to try to get the first down. It worked and allowed us to run out most of the clock. We don't do that in new England and we lose. We don't do it in Carolina and we lose.

I just expect Payton to realize what isn't working and correct it like he did with our LT and kicker. Playing not to lose isn't working.

You want to know what "safe play calling" has done the most damage and has not worked for us yet but we continue to do it.

Prevent Defense.

Final drive prevent defense with less than a 7 point lead cost us the game against the Patriots and Panthers.

Panthers (5 plays 65 yards :32s)
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/sche...2013/regular16

Patriots (8 plays 70 yards 1:08)
Other than the final drive there were no scoring drives that were shorter than 3:46.
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/sche.../2013/regular6

In both of those games had we played defense in the last 2:00m like we did in the first 58:00m we are 12-3.

halloween 65 · 12-26-2013, 07:42 AM

I still believe in Payton. Now weather he is a better playcaller than Carmichael that is 50-50 in my book.Have teams picked up on what we are doing?yes. Payton is not going with what is working in most games including ones that we have won, it seems he is using a script like a line in the movies with no flexability to it. I think he should go with whats working at the time to make D's adjust to it then change it up from there. If a team has a weakness he can still exploit it. If our run game is working, stick with it, short passes work, stick with it, deep ball, you get the picture. If only one reciever is getting open use him, thats what he does for his living. This is the only season that I have not felt the excitement since he has been our coach but at the same time this is the first time our playbook looks like a movie script, mix it up man, go with the hot hand,I still believe in you.

iceshack149 · 12-26-2013, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We are talking about calling plays. Carmichael lead us to the 2nd ranked offense and a 7-9 record with the worst defense in the history of the league. Carmichael also called the plays in 2011; what do you remember about that year?

The question remains; eho is the better play caller?

Payton is the mastermind behind this offense. He put it together and Carmichael runs Payton's plays. The truth is, none of us know anything about the play calling. How much input does Carmichael have when Payton's on the sideline? Did Payton have any input when he wasn't on the sideline?

I did not see any GM's rushing to pick up Carmichael in the off season.

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

In other words its about God. I have been saying for a while now God plays a role in sports especially when it matters most. You don't win without God. Its who God deems fit out of the playoff games to deserve a ring the most. With how this season is going, it just might be Denver. But God does not control every winner in the playoffs just the special ones. The rest comes down to experience and knowledge.

I'm pretty sure God isn't trying to manipulate players so that His favorite team wins every year. Don't you think that the Saints would be His favorite team every year?

12-23-2013, 10:15 PM	#21
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton's play calling Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 And teams have picked up on his "feverish" ways. Not only have they picked up on it, I believe they have learned how to induce it and cause him to get the "fever."

12-26-2013, 06:59 AM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Sean Payton's play calling Originally Posted by ikecomp I mostly agree with this sentiment but you gotta admit the safe play calling to not lose games hasn't been working as of late. When the game was close in Atlanta back in November we ran a play to try to get the first down. It worked and allowed us to run out most of the clock. We don't do that in new England and we lose. We don't do it in Carolina and we lose. I just expect Payton to realize what isn't working and correct it like he did with our LT and kicker. Playing not to lose isn't working. You want to know what "safe play calling" has done the most damage and has not worked for us yet but we continue to do it. Prevent Defense. Final drive prevent defense with less than a 7 point lead cost us the game against the Patriots and Panthers. Panthers (5 plays 65 yards :32s) http://www.neworleanssaints.com/sche...2013/regular16 Patriots (8 plays 70 yards 1:08) Other than the final drive there were no scoring drives that were shorter than 3:46. http://www.neworleanssaints.com/sche.../2013/regular6 In both of those games had we played defense in the last 2:00m like we did in the first 58:00m we are 12-3.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-26-2013, 07:42 AM	#23
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Sean Payton's play calling I still believe in Payton. Now weather he is a better playcaller than Carmichael that is 50-50 in my book.Have teams picked up on what we are doing?yes. Payton is not going with what is working in most games including ones that we have won, it seems he is using a script like a line in the movies with no flexability to it. I think he should go with whats working at the time to make D's adjust to it then change it up from there. If a team has a weakness he can still exploit it. If our run game is working, stick with it, short passes work, stick with it, deep ball, you get the picture. If only one reciever is getting open use him, thats what he does for his living. This is the only season that I have not felt the excitement since he has been our coach but at the same time this is the first time our playbook looks like a movie script, mix it up man, go with the hot hand,I still believe in you.

12-26-2013, 08:07 AM	#24
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,456 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Sean Payton's play calling Originally Posted by blackangold We are talking about calling plays. Carmichael lead us to the 2nd ranked offense and a 7-9 record with the worst defense in the history of the league. Carmichael also called the plays in 2011; what do you remember about that year? The question remains; eho is the better play caller? Payton is the mastermind behind this offense. He put it together and Carmichael runs Payton's plays. The truth is, none of us know anything about the play calling. How much input does Carmichael have when Payton's on the sideline? Did Payton have any input when he wasn't on the sideline? I did not see any GM's rushing to pick up Carmichael in the off season. Originally Posted by WillSaints81 In other words its about God. I have been saying for a while now God plays a role in sports especially when it matters most. You don't win without God. Its who God deems fit out of the playoff games to deserve a ring the most. With how this season is going, it just might be Denver. But God does not control every winner in the playoffs just the special ones. The rest comes down to experience and knowledge. I'm pretty sure God isn't trying to manipulate players so that His favorite team wins every year. Don't you think that the Saints would be His favorite team every year? Danno likes this.
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