Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember

TheKillerBs · 12-24-2013, 02:13 PM

Kerry Collins was easily the best QB we had during the Ditka years. Too bad we only had him for half a season.

Still, I get the point. I'm always willing to allow Drew a brain fart here and there, as he is the best QB we've ever had, and probably ever will have.

Crusader · 12-24-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Why is Jeff Blake on that list?

He is the best QB the Saints have had that wasn't named Drew Brees.

Funny how I always thought that was Archie Manning?

WillSaints81 · 12-24-2013, 09:08 PM

I am grateful for the team we have. But at the same time it appears we get trashed if we are not dominating by opposing fan bases no matter what. If we don't look serious we get easily dismissed. And being on a undercover board of former ESPN posters, it becomes distressing to see my saints constantly dissed and people saying panthers have a better shot at a sb.

TheOak · 12-25-2013, 09:38 AM

I'm thankful I was fortunate enough
to watch 10 wins so far. People forget that at one time 10 wins took a few seasons, they forget that before that there were no Saints.

Considering most fans default to a regional offering. If rather watch the Saints lose than Cowboys/Texans/or Falcons win.

xan · 12-25-2013, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Danno -

Denver
Green Bay
Seattle
New England
Indy

All I could come up with.

Atlanta!! Oh yeah, forgot..

SF - Kapernick
CP - Scum Newton
FC - Fatty Lice
WR - RGIII
NYG - Eli
PS - Rapelessburger
BR - Flunko
SD - Rivers

I don't think that any of the above two lists' teams would trade for Brees. That's 13 teams of the 32. Just sayin'.

Anyway, most teams don't want to commit that much of their cap to one player, and when they do, they usually turn into mediocre teams.

The best teams right now aren't paying very much for their starting QB, relatively. They all have the cap space to pay offensive linemen who can block, and depth.

saintsfan403 · 12-25-2013, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We made Carolina forget all the bad Cam did on Sunday. Overthrows, underthrows, misreads, poor decisions.... He was terrible.

He's really, really bad (minus that one drive).

hagan714 · 12-25-2013, 12:30 PM

i love and have always loved my saints. but i will not close my eyes to stupidity. i have been through worse but i want so much more than we have gotten so far. DYNASTY I am never happy. even after the super bowl i was trying to figure how to make the trophy ours for keeps. i will never stop. i am sick and have a problem I know. saints fever has only one cure win win win after so many years of defeat.

WillSaints81 · 12-26-2013, 12:20 AM

Honestly if we missed the playoffs the year after we won the sb and Atlanta didnt start their sb contention crap I would be fine with what we have this season. But making the playoffs back to back years and another the next means the saints have what it takes to be ELITE and we have a right to want this team to get the respect the pats, broncos, and 49ers get.

burningmetal · 12-26-2013, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by lynwood

In the eight seasons before Brees arrived, the Saints had seven starting quarterbacks. Here are some names that strike fear into Who Dat Nation: Kerry Collins, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Tolliver, Billy Joe Hobert, Jake Delhomme, Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks. Looking back a little further reveals names like Jim Everett, Doug Nussmeier, Wade Wilson, Mike Buck and Steve Walsh.

Scott Walker: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember ghosts of Saints

Ungrateful who dat's? Please don't condescend.

Drew actually looks a LOT like Aaron Brooks when we go on the road lately, but that's beside the point. You don't see anyone comparing Drew to any of those guys do you? Also, try not to lose all perspective when trying to GIVE perspective. Those quarterbacks didn't have any talent around them with the exception of Brooks, who had reasonable talent around him. Those quarterbacks also played in the non wussy era of football. Don't forget that.

Drew is obviously better than all of them, but right now he doesn't play up to the standards of a 100 million dollar man. And frankly, he doesn't look like half the quarterback he used to be, at this moment. But it's not ALL his fault, and that's why we're complaining about play calling and O-line play, as much as we're complaining about Brees.

And finally, does it ever occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe, we WANT to forget about the old days?

TheOak · 12-26-2013, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by xan

SF - Kapernick
CP - Scum Newton
FC - Fatty Lice
WR - RGIII
NYG - Eli
PS - Rapelessburger
BR - Flunko
SD - Rivers

I don't think that any of the above two lists' teams would trade for Brees. That's 13 teams of the 32. Just sayin'.

Anyway, most teams don't want to commit that much of their cap to one player, and when they do, they usually turn into mediocre teams.

The best teams right now aren't paying very much for their starting QB, relatively. They all have the cap space to pay offensive linemen who can block, and depth.

That is not necessarily a fair assumption.

Nearly all teams pay for what they consider to be a game changer, and they are not always QBs. Drew happens to be the game changer that we invested in.

Jarred Allen and Revis are with in 1.5M of Drew for Cap Hit.
2013 NFL Top Cap Hit Salaries

Cap hit is all that matters these days. Total and AVE contract value is moot because very rarely are those huge contracts played out.

12-24-2013, 02:13 PM	#21
TheKillerBs Thread Killer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hammond, LA Posts: 366	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Kerry Collins was easily the best QB we had during the Ditka years. Too bad we only had him for half a season. Still, I get the point. I'm always willing to allow Drew a brain fart here and there, as he is the best QB we've ever had, and probably ever will have.

12-24-2013, 02:34 PM	#22
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Why is Jeff Blake on that list? He is the best QB the Saints have had that wasn't named Drew Brees. Funny how I always thought that was Archie Manning?

12-24-2013, 09:08 PM	#23
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember I am grateful for the team we have. But at the same time it appears we get trashed if we are not dominating by opposing fan bases no matter what. If we don't look serious we get easily dismissed. And being on a undercover board of former ESPN posters, it becomes distressing to see my saints constantly dissed and people saying panthers have a better shot at a sb.

12-25-2013, 09:38 AM	#24
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember I'm thankful I was fortunate enough to watch 10 wins so far. People forget that at one time 10 wins took a few seasons, they forget that before that there were no Saints. Considering most fans default to a regional offering. If rather watch the Saints lose than Cowboys/Texans/or Falcons win. saintsfan403 likes this.

12-25-2013, 09:57 AM	#25
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,368 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Danno - Denver Green Bay Seattle New England Indy All I could come up with. Atlanta!! Oh yeah, forgot.. SF - Kapernick CP - Scum Newton FC - Fatty Lice WR - RGIII NYG - Eli PS - Rapelessburger BR - Flunko SD - Rivers I don't think that any of the above two lists' teams would trade for Brees. That's 13 teams of the 32. Just sayin'. Anyway, most teams don't want to commit that much of their cap to one player, and when they do, they usually turn into mediocre teams. The best teams right now aren't paying very much for their starting QB, relatively. They all have the cap space to pay offensive linemen who can block, and depth.

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12-25-2013, 12:11 PM	#26
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We made Carolina forget all the bad Cam did on Sunday. Overthrows, underthrows, misreads, poor decisions.... He was terrible. He's really, really bad (minus that one drive).

12-25-2013, 12:30 PM	#27
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember i love and have always loved my saints. but i will not close my eyes to stupidity. i have been through worse but i want so much more than we have gotten so far. DYNASTY I am never happy. even after the super bowl i was trying to figure how to make the trophy ours for keeps. i will never stop. i am sick and have a problem I know. saints fever has only one cure win win win after so many years of defeat. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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12-26-2013, 12:20 AM	#28
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Honestly if we missed the playoffs the year after we won the sb and Atlanta didnt start their sb contention crap I would be fine with what we have this season. But making the playoffs back to back years and another the next means the saints have what it takes to be ELITE and we have a right to want this team to get the respect the pats, broncos, and 49ers get.

12-26-2013, 12:53 AM	#29
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Originally Posted by lynwood In the eight seasons before Brees arrived, the Saints had seven starting quarterbacks. Here are some names that strike fear into Who Dat Nation: Kerry Collins, Danny Wuerffel, Billy Joe Tolliver, Billy Joe Hobert, Jake Delhomme, Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks. Looking back a little further reveals names like Jim Everett, Doug Nussmeier, Wade Wilson, Mike Buck and Steve Walsh. Scott Walker: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember ghosts of Saints Ungrateful who dat's? Please don't condescend. Drew actually looks a LOT like Aaron Brooks when we go on the road lately, but that's beside the point. You don't see anyone comparing Drew to any of those guys do you? Also, try not to lose all perspective when trying to GIVE perspective. Those quarterbacks didn't have any talent around them with the exception of Brooks, who had reasonable talent around him. Those quarterbacks also played in the non wussy era of football. Don't forget that. Drew is obviously better than all of them, but right now he doesn't play up to the standards of a 100 million dollar man. And frankly, he doesn't look like half the quarterback he used to be, at this moment. But it's not ALL his fault, and that's why we're complaining about play calling and O-line play, as much as we're complaining about Brees. And finally, does it ever occur to anyone that maybe, just maybe, we WANT to forget about the old days?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-26-2013, 06:47 AM	#30
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Some ungrateful Who Dats should remember Originally Posted by xan SF - Kapernick CP - Scum Newton FC - Fatty Lice WR - RGIII NYG - Eli PS - Rapelessburger BR - Flunko SD - Rivers I don't think that any of the above two lists' teams would trade for Brees. That's 13 teams of the 32. Just sayin'. Anyway, most teams don't want to commit that much of their cap to one player, and when they do, they usually turn into mediocre teams. The best teams right now aren't paying very much for their starting QB, relatively. They all have the cap space to pay offensive linemen who can block, and depth. That is not necessarily a fair assumption. Nearly all teams pay for what they consider to be a game changer, and they are not always QBs. Drew happens to be the game changer that we invested in. Jarred Allen and Revis are with in 1.5M of Drew for Cap Hit. 2013 NFL Top Cap Hit Salaries Cap hit is all that matters these days. Total and AVE contract value is moot because very rarely are those huge contracts played out.

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