Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era

Halo · 12-27-2013, 12:33 PM

Hot off the press from Jeff Duncan's article on NOLA.com, here are some interesting facts that may help guide some perspective on the 2013 New Orleans Saints season.

RECORD SACKS ALLOWED

In the wake of Carolina's six-sack manifesto last week, Brees has now been sacked 36 times this season. That's the most of his eight-year Saints tenure and the most by any Saints team since 2004.

RECORD PENALTIES COMMITTED

In addition, the Saints also have been whistled for 28 holding infractions, tied for fifth most in the NFL. Here's the breakdown of the infractions: Charles Brown (seven); Jahri Evans (five); Brian de la Puente (four); Ben Grubbs (three); Zach Strief (two); and one apiece for Jed Collins; Justin Drescher; Jimmy Graham; Bryce Harris; Will Herring; Khiry Robinson; and Tim Lelito.

RECORD TIME OF POSSESSION FOR SAINTS

The Saints rank second in the NFL by possessing the ball for an average of 32:35. That's the highest mark since 1991 (33:58). The defense has contributed to the cause by holding opponents a 33.3 percent conversion rate on third downs. Consequently, Saints opponents have only recorded 256 first downs, which would be the lowest output since 2006 (262).

WORST SCORING OFFENSE IN BREES/PAYTON ERA

The Saints are ranked 13th in the NFL in scoring with a 24.8 points-per-game average. The Saints have never finished lower than 12th in scoring in the Brees era and led the league in scoring in 2009 and 2011.

FULL JEFF DUNCAN ARTICLE HERE

Danno · 12-27-2013, 12:41 PM

2013 Saints Defense > 2013 Saints Offense

Never thought that would happen under Sean Payton unless Brees got hurt.

exile · 12-27-2013, 12:46 PM

Saints offense should move up considerably this Sunday. Problem solved.

CoreyO · 12-27-2013, 12:48 PM

And defenses can win games, look at last week panthers D won it for carolina

UK_WhoDat · 12-27-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyO

And defenses can win games, look at last week panthers D won it for carolina

I am thinking that you might be right
or
that our O is doing suffiient to win it

Halo · 12-27-2013, 01:06 PM

I felt these stats highlighted what exactly is the problem this year. We have thread after thread blaming coach Payton's playcall, lack of running game, Drew Brees, and o-line for failures.

For me, this proves the offensive line is sketchy at best in 2013. Offseason cuts, trades, draft and signings WILL happen. I would also like to see a new offensive line coach with seasoned experience or someone who can coach retained players up.

I've never seen Drew on his backside like I have this year. If it continues, he will get injured maybe this year but definitely next year if the o-line woes aren't correctly addressed.

Danno · 12-27-2013, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

For me, this proves the offensive line is sketchy at best in 2013. Offseason cuts, trades, draft and signings WILL happen. I would also like to see a new offensive line coach with seasoned experience or someone who can coach retained players up.

I've never seen Drew on his backside like I have this year. If it continues, he will get injured maybe this year but definitely next year if the o-line woes aren't correctly addressed.

I too believe problem one is the O-line.

Next is probably WR, or OLB. I kinda think our WR's would have performed much better if Drew had that extra second or two to throw. So fixing the O-line may show that WR wasn't as big a problem as we thought.

Then its BPA at CB, OLB, ILB, D-line.

TheOak · 12-27-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I felt these stats highlighted what exactly is the problem this year. We have thread after thread blaming coach Payton's playcall, lack of running game, Drew Brees, and o-line for failures.

For me, this proves the offensive line is sketchy at best in 2013. Offseason cuts, trades, draft and signings WILL happen. I would also like to see a new offensive line coach with seasoned experience or someone who can coach retained players up.

I've never seen Drew on his backside like I have this year. If it continues, he will get injured maybe this year but definitely next year if the o-line woes aren't correctly addressed.

You missed one important point...

We changed to a blocking scheme that we are not built for this season.

New scheme... wrong personnel. Sound familiar?

NonieT · 12-27-2013, 02:55 PM

They need to go back to the old blocking scheme. Draft an athletic Rt tackle in the draft and try zone blocking next season. If we have two athletic tackle it might work. We only have one athletic tackle and they were able to run better last Sunday. Fix the offensive line and it will fix everything else on the offense.

Danno · 12-27-2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

They need to go back to the old blocking scheme. Draft an athletic Rt tackle in the draft and try zone blocking next season. If we have two athletic tackle it might work. We only have one athletic tackle and they were able to run better last Sunday.

I don't think RT is the problem. This year Strief grades out our best O-lineman on the team.

He'll likely grade out in the top 5 RT's in the entire NFL.

Oh, and he's a free-agent.

12-27-2013, 12:33 PM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,860 Blog Entries: 45	Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era Hot off the press from Jeff Duncan's article on NOLA.com, here are some interesting facts that may help guide some perspective on the 2013 New Orleans Saints season. RECORD SACKS ALLOWED In the wake of Carolina's six-sack manifesto last week, Brees has now been sacked 36 times this season. That's the most of his eight-year Saints tenure and the most by any Saints team since 2004. RECORD PENALTIES COMMITTED In addition, the Saints also have been whistled for 28 holding infractions, tied for fifth most in the NFL. Here's the breakdown of the infractions: Charles Brown (seven); Jahri Evans (five); Brian de la Puente (four); Ben Grubbs (three); Zach Strief (two); and one apiece for Jed Collins; Justin Drescher; Jimmy Graham; Bryce Harris; Will Herring; Khiry Robinson; and Tim Lelito. RECORD TIME OF POSSESSION FOR SAINTS The Saints rank second in the NFL by possessing the ball for an average of 32:35. That's the highest mark since 1991 (33:58). The defense has contributed to the cause by holding opponents a 33.3 percent conversion rate on third downs. Consequently, Saints opponents have only recorded 256 first downs, which would be the lowest output since 2006 (262). WORST SCORING OFFENSE IN BREES/PAYTON ERA The Saints are ranked 13th in the NFL in scoring with a 24.8 points-per-game average. The Saints have never finished lower than 12th in scoring in the Brees era and led the league in scoring in 2009 and 2011. FULL JEFF DUNCAN ARTICLE HERE Attached Thumbnails

12-27-2013, 12:41 PM	#2
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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era Originally Posted by CoreyO And defenses can win games, look at last week panthers D won it for carolina I am thinking that you might be right or that our O is doing suffiient to win it

12-27-2013, 01:06 PM	#6
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,860 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era I felt these stats highlighted what exactly is the problem this year. We have thread after thread blaming coach Payton's playcall, lack of running game, Drew Brees, and o-line for failures. For me, this proves the offensive line is sketchy at best in 2013. Offseason cuts, trades, draft and signings WILL happen. I would also like to see a new offensive line coach with seasoned experience or someone who can coach retained players up. I've never seen Drew on his backside like I have this year. If it continues, he will get injured maybe this year but definitely next year if the o-line woes aren't correctly addressed. Danno, SapperSaint and TheKillerBs like this.
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12-27-2013, 01:58 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era Originally Posted by Halo For me, this proves the offensive line is sketchy at best in 2013. Offseason cuts, trades, draft and signings WILL happen. I would also like to see a new offensive line coach with seasoned experience or someone who can coach retained players up. I've never seen Drew on his backside like I have this year. If it continues, he will get injured maybe this year but definitely next year if the o-line woes aren't correctly addressed. I too believe problem one is the O-line. Next is probably WR, or OLB. I kinda think our WR's would have performed much better if Drew had that extra second or two to throw. So fixing the O-line may show that WR wasn't as big a problem as we thought. Then its BPA at CB, OLB, ILB, D-line.

12-27-2013, 02:09 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,041	Re: Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era Originally Posted by Halo I felt these stats highlighted what exactly is the problem this year. We have thread after thread blaming coach Payton's playcall, lack of running game, Drew Brees, and o-line for failures. For me, this proves the offensive line is sketchy at best in 2013. Offseason cuts, trades, draft and signings WILL happen. I would also like to see a new offensive line coach with seasoned experience or someone who can coach retained players up. I've never seen Drew on his backside like I have this year. If it continues, he will get injured maybe this year but definitely next year if the o-line woes aren't correctly addressed. You missed one important point... We changed to a blocking scheme that we are not built for this season. New scheme... wrong personnel. Sound familiar?

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era They need to go back to the old blocking scheme. Draft an athletic Rt tackle in the draft and try zone blocking next season. If we have two athletic tackle it might work. We only have one athletic tackle and they were able to run better last Sunday. Fix the offensive line and it will fix everything else on the offense.
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12-27-2013, 02:57 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,750	Re: Saints Offense Breaking Records in 2013 - Lowest Production in Payton Era Originally Posted by NonieT They need to go back to the old blocking scheme. Draft an athletic Rt tackle in the draft and try zone blocking next season. If we have two athletic tackle it might work. We only have one athletic tackle and they were able to run better last Sunday. I don't think RT is the problem. This year Strief grades out our best O-lineman on the team. He'll likely grade out in the top 5 RT's in the entire NFL. Oh, and he's a free-agent.

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