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44Champs 12-30-2013 05:27 AM

Run Game Key to Winning on the Road
 
We're 3-5 on the road this year and I truly believe it's because we don't run the ball enough. And Im not saying we need to run the ball more just for the sake of balance. I could care less about balance if we're winning. But on the road, running the ball effectively is how we neutralize wind, cold, bad weather, crowd noise, etc.
i hope we give Philly a strong dose of Khiry, PT and MI, but I just dont think it'll happen.

saintsfan1976 12-30-2013 05:30 AM

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Scoring is a great equalizer. I don't care how we do it.

44Champs 12-30-2013 05:37 AM

Run Game Key to Winning on the Road
 
Neither do I. But our normal formula obviousky doesnt get it done on the road.

Mr.Riaton 12-30-2013 05:39 AM

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Not only do we need to run the ball, 75%-85% of the carries need to go to one back.

B_Dub_Saint 12-30-2013 07:41 AM

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Yea but do the coaches know this mystery you speak of.

TheOak 12-30-2013 07:42 AM

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Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

rezburna 12-30-2013 07:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566044)
Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

People just want to make it as simple as we need to run the ball more. That's not the problem. We turn th ball over more on the road. Drew is far more prone to interceptions away from New Orleans.

As far as the run game goes, I honestly wouldn't mind phasing Sproles out and running a Robinson and Ingram power runner backfield. I don't think we've seen them peek. Pierre Thomas has. And Sproles too.

TheOak 12-30-2013 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 566046)
People just want to make it as simple as we need to run the ball more. That's not the problem. We turn th ball over more on the road. Drew is far more prone to interceptions away from New Orleans.



As far as the run game goes, I honestly wouldn't mind phasing Sproles out and running a Robinson and Ingram power runner backfield. I don't think we've seen them peek. Pierre Thomas has. And Sproles too.


I agree with that. 1 caveat though, just having Sproles on the field changes defenses.

Saintaintso 12-30-2013 08:01 AM

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This is the perfect setup , we suck on the road and go against a team that sucks at home !! Plus ... Our offense hasn't been on point as of late , watching film on chip Kelly's offense I'm sure is going to give Sean Payton some new arsenal to steal , if you watch them closely , their routes are ingenious , the spacing for lesean McCoy is innovative always giving him a cutback lane.

If our offense revs up for this game and can steal a few wrinkles just for the playoffs , we're going to be a buzz saw

triman 12-30-2013 08:37 AM

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Throw out the regular season. The playoffs are a whole other animal. All teams face must win situations . I think our chances are pretty good against the Eagles. You hear the cliche about just do your job because it is true.Focus is very key to optimized performance.Players sometimes get in trouble in these big games trying to do too much. Forcing throws ,jumping routes etc..I played rugby at all-star level and the coaches always stressed that the things that got you to the all-star level was ding your job better than your opponents.It really is that simple. The only team that really scares me is the Seahawks. They are beatable if we do our jobs.GO Saints

Mardigras9 12-30-2013 08:49 AM

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It's going to be cold so balance will be a necessity. Just can't throw it around the same way below freezing.

TheOak 12-30-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 566069)
It's going to be cold so balance will be a necessity. Just can't throw it around the same way below freezing.


BS.....
That is what was said until the Broncos Played the Titans in 14F weather and Manning threw 4 TDs, no INTs, and 397 yards.

halloween 65 12-30-2013 09:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566044)
Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

Oak, those games were winable, real close games and in all fairness look at the games we lost by not running the ball and the difference in those games. When we don't have a balance is when we look bad!!

TheOak 12-30-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 566073)
Oak, those games were winable, real close games and in all fairness look at the games we lost by not running the ball and the difference in those games. When we don't have a balance is when we look bad!!

Brother... We have not had "balance" in one game this season.

In the new England game drew had 36 passing attempts and 26 rushing attempts. Close to his lowest pass attempts all season.

I understand they were close games... What I am saying is that there is no evidence that running more is THE key to anything.

Danno 12-30-2013 09:39 AM

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Turnovers are the key to winning on the road. We suck at it.

On the road - 12 giveaways, 6 takeaways
Road losses- 10 giveaways, 1 takeaway

xan 12-30-2013 09:42 AM

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Eagles have excellent cover lbs. They snuff out screens better than most teams and are excellent against the run. That being said, their DBs are vulnerable

Utah_Saint 12-30-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 566091)
Turnovers are the key to winning on the road. We suck at it.

On the road - 12 giveaways, 6 takeaways
Road losses- 10 giveaways, 1 takeaway

Yep

If you continue to give the other team the ball, you lose.

It's not rocket surgery.

WhoDat!656 12-30-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 566097)
Yep

If you continue to give the other team the ball, you lose.

It's not rocket surgery.

What the hell is rocket surgery?

TheOak 12-30-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 566101)
What the hell is rocket surgery?

http://img.uvumi.com/photos/1133/big/rocket-surgeon.jpg

TheOak 12-30-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 566091)
Turnovers are the key to winning on the road. We suck at it.

On the road - 12 giveaways, 6 takeaways
Road losses- 10 giveaways, 1 takeaway

To elaborate... The key to winning this game is giving Drew time and our receivers getting separation.

ScottF 12-30-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566086)
Brother... We have not had "balance" in one game this season.

In the new England game drew had 36 passing attempts and 26 rushing attempts. Close to his lowest pass attempts all season.

I understand they were close games... What I am saying is that there is no evidence that running more is THE key to anything.

Exactly. We don't run the ball that well. Period.
We were 5-0 and hadn't run for sh**, other than Robinson garbage runs against Arizona. We beat Chicago, in Chicago, with 64 yards rushing.

We have Brees, and Graham, and Still, Colston, Moore, Sproles, PT, etc.
Throw it.

Let's save the tired 'we have to run' for Lombardi, Noll and Ditka. Times have changed

TheOak 12-30-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 566116)
Exactly. We don't run the ball that well. Period.
We were 5-0 and hadn't run for sh**, other than Robinson garbage runs against Arizona. We beat Chicago, in Chicago, with 64 yards rushing.

We have Brees, and Graham, and Still, Colston, Moore, Sproles, PT, etc.
Throw it.

Let's save the tired 'we have to run' for Lombardi, Noll and Ditka. Times have changed

I think that is where the confusion is. It is not that we do not try, we just can not do it well enough consistently.

K Major 12-30-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 566096)
Eagles have excellent cover lbs. They snuff out screens better than most teams and are excellent against the run. That being said, their DBs are vulnerable

+1. Did you by chance see #95 2nd year player from Cal Mycal Kendricks last night? This guy is a special player. We will have our hands full containing him.

spkb25 12-30-2013 10:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566044)
Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

I say we can run through pass. We need to hold the ball and tire their d. A short efficient passing attack does that. We won a super bowl doing that again the Colts. We couldn't run that game

spkb25 12-30-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 566046)
People just want to make it as simple as we need to run the ball more. That's not the problem. We turn th ball over more on the road. Drew is far more prone to interceptions away from New Orleans.

As far as the run game goes, I honestly wouldn't mind phasing Sproles out and running a Robinson and Ingram power runner backfield. I don't think we've seen them peek. Pierre Thomas has. And Sproles too.

A lot of that is poor pass protection on the road too. Lot of blame to go around on the road, and this is me agreeing with you and discussing.

Yeah, we can run through a short passing attack, in my opinion.

Graham should have a big game

TheOak 12-30-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 566140)
I say we can run through pass. We need to hold the ball and tire their d. A short efficient passing attack does that. We won a super bowl doing that again the Colts. We couldn't run that game

We need to burn long in the passing game... Their strength is their LBs in coverage.

spkb25 12-30-2013 10:36 AM

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We need to do whatever it is that their defense is most likely to allow. Depending on their coverages, etc we need to find the holes.

They do not have a great defense, this game comes down to our offense and how well they execute.

spkb25 12-30-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566143)
We need to burn long in the passing game... Their strength is their LBs in coverage.

We do, and I agree, but I am just saying we can maintain ball control through short passing attack, and they seem to be weak over the middle. Graham should have a good game

Schmohams 12-30-2013 10:44 AM

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We express our run game through screens and short passes, it doesn't show up on stats sheets but teams respect the Saints screen system. The Eagles are fast, dead fast, we need to watch out and not chase tackles.

Beastmode 12-30-2013 10:52 AM

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I cringe like you all when I see Brees running but may have to do it. I think we will see more of that like yesterday. Not forcing it, step up and take off for a small gain. It would totally catch the Eagles off guard. Nobody was home when he scored yesterday. Nobody.

Utah_Saint 12-30-2013 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 566101)
What the hell is rocket surgery?

It's smart people stuff, like brain science.

But you don't have to be an Einstein to know that turning the ball over a lot is a sure way to lose.

Like Danno pointed out, we seem to turn the ball over a lot more on the road this year.

ScottF 12-30-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 566157)
I cringe like you all when I see Brees running but may have to do it. I think we will see more of that like yesterday. Not forcing it, step up and take off for a small gain. It would totally catch the Eagles off guard. Nobody was home when he scored yesterday. Nobody.

Great result, and we all have to respect Drew's vision.
However, up 18 with the ball in the red zone, that could have ended up being the dumbest and most disastrous play of a season filled with them

cmsaint 12-30-2013 11:41 AM

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Spread em 4 and 5 wide and attack the DBs. Their pass D is junk. Protect drew and pressure foles and we win.

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TheOak 12-30-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmsaint (Post 566177)
Spread em 4 and 5 wide and attack the DBs. Their pass D is junk. Protect drew and pressure foles and we win.

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Who is staying back to help protect Drew?

cmsaint 12-30-2013 06:37 PM

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Whoever is in the backfield. Hit some short stuff early to get in rhythm and keep them on their heels. Then go for the kill shot and take the crowd out of it.

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44Champs 01-05-2014 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 566018)
We're 3-5 on the road this year and I truly believe it's because we don't run the ball enough. And Im not saying we need to run the ball more just for the sake of balance. I could care less about balance if we're winning. But on the road, running the ball effectively is how we neutralize wind, cold, bad weather, crowd noise, etc.
i hope we give Philly a strong dose of Khiry, PT and MI, but I just dont think it'll happen.


185 yards rushing tonight. I rest my case!!

Exxcalibur 01-05-2014 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 566018)
We're 3-5 on the road this year and I truly believe it's because we don't run the ball enough. And Im not saying we need to run the ball more just for the sake of balance. I could care less about balance if we're winning. But on the road, running the ball effectively is how we neutralize wind, cold, bad weather, crowd noise, etc.
i hope we give Philly a strong dose of Khiry, PT and MI, but I just dont think it'll happen.

NIce. Pro.

WHODATINCA 01-05-2014 02:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 566044)
Running for the sake of running is not exactly what I would call a game plan.

The Eagles have the #10 rush Defense and the #32 passing defense.

Saints Rushing yards +100 yard games
Dallas - 242 W
@New England - 131 L
@Panthers 126 L
Cardinals 104 W
@Falcons - 103 W

Obviously if rushing was key to winning we would have beat the Patriots and Panthers.

Well, the difference in this win against the Eagles seemed to be the run game. I mean we had turnovers so.....

But, to me, the genius was on the D. We stopped Shady -- made Foles beat us. He couldn't -- even without much of a pass rush -- but what do I know -- except in Rob I trust.

I have a question -- who was this O-Line that showed up tonight -- and where have they been all season?

TheOak 01-05-2014 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 568962)
Well, the difference in this win against the Eagles seemed to be the run game. I mean we had turnovers so.....



But, to me, the genius was on the D. We stopped Shady -- made Foles beat us. He couldn't -- even without much of a pass rush -- but what do I know -- except in Rob I trust.



I have a question -- who was this O-Line that showed up tonight -- and where have they been all season?


We run when we can and there doesn't seem to be any predictability
on that. We ran against Dallas, Carolina, and now the Eagles but couldn't against a lot of teams. There were literally games where 3/4 of our rushing attempts were tackled 1-2 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Drew had a completely different second 1/2 than the first. He has always been the key to a victory.

He settled down in the second half and started taking what they would give him instead of trying to force passes like he did in the first half.


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