Did Peyton really break Drew's record?

WhoDat!656 · 01-01-2014, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by callmedaddy

I don't mind them taking the throw back one bit, from what I saw it wasn't a forward pass. But that's not going to change the fact for me(which is why it's an opinion) that Peyton deserved the record and there would be an asterisk by his yards.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I just think a refs **** up being the only reason Peyton didn't get the record kind of sucks.

Even then, I've only seen one angle where it did look like an obvious forward pass, maybe the reviewers had a much better angle, I'm not sure. Someone previously stated at another angle it was a forward pass, so I'd also like to see that angle if anyone has a link.

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callmedaddy · 01-01-2014, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

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I meant "I've only seen one angle where it wasn't a forward pass" fixing now.

TheOak · 01-02-2014, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by callmedaddy

I don't mind them taking the throw back one bit, from what I saw it wasn't a forward pass. But that's not going to change the fact for me(which is why it's an opinion) that Peyton deserved the record and there would be an asterisk by his yards.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I just think a refs **** up being the only reason Peyton didn't get the record kind of sucks.

Even then, I've only seen one angle where it didn't look like a forward pass, maybe the reviewers had a much better angle, I'm not sure. Someone previously stated at another angle it was a forward pass, so I'd also like to see that angle if anyone has a link.

I suspect that you and I are polar opposites on more than just passing records. You are emotionally invested in a record that is not subjective, this is not an opinion based subject. It is based purely on empirical data.

He either threw legal passes for more yards or he didn't. Absolutely nothing else matters. If it is ruled that the pass was not a legal pass then he didn't and the opinions of you and I are moot.

Now there is a subjective aspect to this and Payton Manning coming out if the game with just one yard above Drew's record tells me two things.

1. He is an idiot. He let the referees decide.

2. He agrees that no one knows what would have happened on the next play. Manning him self chose not to take the risk of one more pass.

Records are risk/reward. You don't break them and hold them playing safe football.

pumpkindriver · 01-02-2014, 12:18 PM

The only thing that gets me about it all is where are all the whiners complaining about how Manning padded his stats? Thats all we heard when Drew broke the record. Its fine when their boy does it but no Saint's player should have a gaudy record like that so we, the media and other fans, have to diminish it.

Utah_Saint · 01-02-2014, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver

The only thing that gets me about it all is where are all the whiners complaining about how Manning padded his stats? Thats all we heard when Drew broke the record. Its fine when their boy does it but no Saint's player should have a gaudy record like that so we, the media and other fans, have to diminish it.

It may be hard to accuse him of padding his stats when he sat out the second half of the game. If he had padded his stats some, this lateral wouldn't be an issue.

01-01-2014, 06:22 PM	#31
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: Did Peyton really break Drew's record? Originally Posted by callmedaddy I don't mind them taking the throw back one bit, from what I saw it wasn't a forward pass. But that's not going to change the fact for me(which is why it's an opinion) that Peyton deserved the record and there would be an asterisk by his yards. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just think a refs **** up being the only reason Peyton didn't get the record kind of sucks. Even then, I've only seen one angle where it did look like an obvious forward pass, maybe the reviewers had a much better angle, I'm not sure. Someone previously stated at another angle it was a forward pass, so I'd also like to see that angle if anyone has a link. Peyton Manning should have NFL single-season passing record taken away \| The MMQB with Peter King

01-01-2014, 06:25 PM	#32
callmedaddy Rookie Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 14	Re: Did Peyton really break Drew's record? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Peyton Manning should have NFL single-season passing record taken away \| The MMQB with Peter King I meant "I've only seen one angle where it wasn't a forward pass" fixing now.
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01-02-2014, 08:18 AM	#33
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Did Peyton really break Drew's record? Originally Posted by callmedaddy I don't mind them taking the throw back one bit, from what I saw it wasn't a forward pass. But that's not going to change the fact for me(which is why it's an opinion) that Peyton deserved the record and there would be an asterisk by his yards. You're entitled to your opinion, but I just think a refs **** up being the only reason Peyton didn't get the record kind of sucks. Even then, I've only seen one angle where it didn't look like a forward pass, maybe the reviewers had a much better angle, I'm not sure. Someone previously stated at another angle it was a forward pass, so I'd also like to see that angle if anyone has a link. I suspect that you and I are polar opposites on more than just passing records. You are emotionally invested in a record that is not subjective, this is not an opinion based subject. It is based purely on empirical data. He either threw legal passes for more yards or he didn't. Absolutely nothing else matters. If it is ruled that the pass was not a legal pass then he didn't and the opinions of you and I are moot. Now there is a subjective aspect to this and Payton Manning coming out if the game with just one yard above Drew's record tells me two things. 1. He is an idiot. He let the referees decide. 2. He agrees that no one knows what would have happened on the next play. Manning him self chose not to take the risk of one more pass. Records are risk/reward. You don't break them and hold them playing safe football.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-02-2014, 12:18 PM	#34
pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: Did Peyton really break Drew's record? The only thing that gets me about it all is where are all the whiners complaining about how Manning padded his stats? Thats all we heard when Drew broke the record. Its fine when their boy does it but no Saint's player should have a gaudy record like that so we, the media and other fans, have to diminish it.

01-02-2014, 02:59 PM	#35
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Did Peyton really break Drew's record? Originally Posted by pumpkindriver The only thing that gets me about it all is where are all the whiners complaining about how Manning padded his stats? Thats all we heard when Drew broke the record. Its fine when their boy does it but no Saint's player should have a gaudy record like that so we, the media and other fans, have to diminish it. It may be hard to accuse him of padding his stats when he sat out the second half of the game. If he had padded his stats some, this lateral wouldn't be an issue.

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