A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions

01-13-2014, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post...

Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back.

Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it...

Here is PFF from 2012: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL"

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2012 Articles

Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league...

Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) | February | 2013 Articles

Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF:

Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gent-safeties/

Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

|Mitch| · 01-13-2014, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats...

blackangold · 01-13-2014, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats...

Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess.

|Mitch| · 01-13-2014, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess.

So 2011 counts when we had a different coordinator and a totally different scheme? ignorance

blackangold · 01-13-2014, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

So 2011 counts when we had a different coordinator and a totally different scheme?

Same player being asked to do the same things.

Jenkins over the last 3 years has had 3 different DCs. Each year he has graded out as awful... under Rob Ryan he grades out as -6.0 which is among the NFLs worst safeties... care to go on?

|Mitch| · 01-13-2014, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Same player being asked to do the same things.

Jenkins over the last 3 years has had 3 different DCs. Each year he has graded out as awful... under Rob Ryan he grades out as -6.0 which is among the NFLs worst safeties... care to go on?

But yet, he still starts... Apparently he's doing something right...

blackangold · 01-13-2014, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

But yet, he still starts... Apparently he's doing something right...

Just like Scott Shanle did all those years...

Just because someone starts doesn't mean they are good.

Do you think Jenkins is a good safety?

|Mitch| · 01-13-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Do you think Jenkins is a good safety?

Apparently he's the best FS, we got...

You know, you should be the coach with your vast football knowledge /sarcasm

Danno · 01-13-2014, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Same player being asked to do the same things.

Jenkins over the last 3 years has had 3 different DCs. Each year he has graded out as awful... under Rob Ryan he grades out as -6.0 which is among the NFLs worst safeties... care to go on?

Pretty simple, without a pass rush, safeties often get burned. Watch more football.

Btw, I'm not a huge Jenkins fan either, but using 2012 stats for anything is shortsighted. Greer and Hawthorne graded horribly too. How'd they work out this year?

blackangold · 01-13-2014, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Pretty simple, without a pass rush, safeties often get burned. Watch more football.

Btw, I'm not a huge Jenkins fan either, but using 2012 stats for anything is shortsighted. Greer and Hawthorne graded horribly too. How'd they work out this year?

I am being inclusive to use as much statistical information as possible.

How was our pass rush this year danno?

And how did Jenkins do?

Oh, yet again he was among the worst safeties.... watch more football, or in your case read more carefully.

01-13-2014, 10:08 PM	#31
Threaded by Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by blackangold Christ, how many times do I have to post the stuff I am going to post... Jenkins is among the worst safeties in the NFL. How some fans that watch every game miss the fact he never make plays in coverage and can't tackle is remarkable. Jenkins won't be cut, he is a free agent and shouldn't be back. Jenkins is awful but don't take my word for it... Here is PFF from 2012: "Jenkins graded 42nd overall, or totally middle of the road, with a negative grade. There's 64 starting safeties in the NFL" Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores for Saints Players in 2011 (Defense & Special Teams) \| February \| 2012 Articles Here is PFF from 2012: Jenkins was ranked 88th out of 88 grade safeties. Thats right Jenkins was the worst safety in the league... Saints Nation: Pro Football Focus Scores For Saints Players in 2012 (Defense & Special Teams) \| February \| 2013 Articles Here is a list of all FA safeties available with their grades by PFF: Out of 46 FA safeties Jenkins is 41st with a -6.0 rating. Thats just the FAs... He is trash, Harper is more useful than Jenkins...FFS https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gent-safeties/ Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart.
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01-13-2014, 10:13 PM	#32
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by Danno Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart. Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats...

01-13-2014, 10:16 PM	#33
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by Danno Again, you're using 2012 grades. Not smart. Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Seriously; using 2012 as a basis for defensive stats... Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess.

01-13-2014, 10:18 PM	#34
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by blackangold Yet you completely ignore the 2011 and 2013 grades that are in the post... You can choose to be ignorant I guess. So 2011 counts when we had a different coordinator and a totally different scheme? ignorance

01-13-2014, 10:21 PM	#35
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| So 2011 counts when we had a different coordinator and a totally different scheme? Same player being asked to do the same things. Jenkins over the last 3 years has had 3 different DCs. Each year he has graded out as awful... under Rob Ryan he grades out as -6.0 which is among the NFLs worst safeties... care to go on?

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01-13-2014, 10:22 PM	#36
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by blackangold Same player being asked to do the same things. Jenkins over the last 3 years has had 3 different DCs. Each year he has graded out as awful... under Rob Ryan he grades out as -6.0 which is among the NFLs worst safeties... care to go on? But yet, he still starts... Apparently he's doing something right...

01-13-2014, 10:23 PM	#37
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| But yet, he still starts... Apparently he's doing something right... Just like Scott Shanle did all those years... Just because someone starts doesn't mean they are good. Do you think Jenkins is a good safety?

01-13-2014, 10:25 PM	#38
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by blackangold Do you think Jenkins is a good safety? Apparently he's the best FS, we got... You know, you should be the coach with your vast football knowledge /sarcasm

01-13-2014, 10:26 PM	#39
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by blackangold Same player being asked to do the same things. Jenkins over the last 3 years has had 3 different DCs. Each year he has graded out as awful... under Rob Ryan he grades out as -6.0 which is among the NFLs worst safeties... care to go on? Pretty simple, without a pass rush, safeties often get burned. Watch more football. Btw, I'm not a huge Jenkins fan either, but using 2012 stats for anything is shortsighted. Greer and Hawthorne graded horribly too. How'd they work out this year?

01-13-2014, 10:31 PM	#40
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A look at Saints' 2014 roster decisions Originally Posted by Danno Pretty simple, without a pass rush, safeties often get burned. Watch more football. Btw, I'm not a huge Jenkins fan either, but using 2012 stats for anything is shortsighted. Greer and Hawthorne graded horribly too. How'd they work out this year? I am being inclusive to use as much statistical information as possible. How was our pass rush this year danno? And how did Jenkins do? Oh, yet again he was among the worst safeties.... watch more football, or in your case read more carefully.

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