Who to cut (cap hits included)

blackangold · 01-26-2014, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Agree, not sure we need "wholesale" change; maintain continuity...

With maybe the exception on the offensive line...

Not sure we don't already "package" or "feature" certain running backs from week to week depending on opponent...

Expect that either Sproles or Thomas to be released from their respective contracts; both a Thomas and Sproles fan, but Sproles' size, being 30+, and much slower than two years ago, plus the knee injury - he's most vulnerable...

Thomas still has the power and is the most effective running the screen (have posted ad nauseum); but Ingram is his biggest factor in returning; Ingram could be extended with his salary slot and Thomas will turn 30 this season...

Thomas is most likely to be cut because he a no dwad money at all...

hagan714 · 01-27-2014, 07:39 AM

the cap is a mess. super bowl hang over contracts are killing us.

Mickey has a plan i hope

draft is the best way to address a cap issue.

so sit back and watch and see what happens

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

the cap is a mess. super bowl hang over contracts are killing us.

Mickey has a plan i hope

draft is the best way to address a cap issue.

so sit back and watch and see what happens

No sir. We do not have anyone on a big contract due to the SB. Evans and Brees are about it and they were All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, MVPs, etc... Smiths huge contract was from 2008.

We only have 9-10 players that were even on that 2009 team.

Danno · 01-27-2014, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

No sir. We do not have anyone on a big contract due to the SB. Evans and Brees are about it and they were All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, MVPs, etc... Smiths huge contract was from 2008.

We only have 9-10 players that were even on that 2009 team.

Thats true, but he did nail it on the draft comment. The best way to bring that cap down is to start hitting on draft picks.

We knocked it out of the ball park (and halfway across the parking lot)
in 2013. Another year or two like that and we'll be sitting pretty cap wise, even with Drews big contract.

BTW, Drew is currently the 4th highest paid QB in the league. With Newton, Wilson, Kaeppernick contracts coming up soon he'll probably drop out of the top 5. His contract amount isn't all that absurd.

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Thats true, but he did nail it on the draft comment. The best way to bring that cap down is to start hitting on draft picks.

We knocked it out of the ball park (and halfway across the parking lot)
in 2013. Another year or two like that and we'll be sitting pretty cap wise, even with Drews big contract.

BTW, Drew is currently the 4th highest paid QB in the league. With Newton, Wilson, Kaeppernick contracts coming up soon he'll probably drop out of the top 5. His contract amount isn't all that absurd.

Its a catch-22 Danno. Too many draft homeruns will balloon on you especially when you make it to a SB or NFCCG. FAs are less likely to balloon on you as their market values have been pretty much set after their rookie contract.

Your examples on Kaep and Wilson prove my point which leaves a dilemma.

A. You get a good blend and maintain some retention.

B. You flood the team with youth and every three years if you are successful have to deal with high turnover because you cant fit all the outstanding players under your cap.

Its a good problem to have but still a problem none the less. In my opinion the solution is not an either, or; but a blend. The short term solution typically looks fantastic until you look at the effect long term.

Danno · 01-27-2014, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Its a catch-22 Danno. Too many draft homeruns will balloon on you especially when you make it to a SB or NFCCG. FAs are less likely to balloon on you as their market values have been pretty much set after their rookie contract.

Your examples on Kaep and Wilson prove my point which leaves a dilemma.

A. You get a good blend and maintain some retention.

B. You flood the team with youth and every three years if you are successful have to deal with high turnover because you cant fit all the outstanding players under your cap.

Its a good problem to have but still a problem none the less. In my opinion the solution is not an either, or; but a blend. The short term solution typically looks fantastic until you look at the effect long term.

Good points, and its also why every team needs solid role players. Role players won't break the bank and help maintain continuity year to year. You can't afford to have an all-pro at every position.

hagan714 · 01-27-2014, 09:24 AM

in all honesty i do not see my dreams being full filled this year in FA.

might get some nice second tier players and re shuffle the practice squad

but the draft is the key to getting a handle on this cap issue for the next few years.

so i am wondering if the saints will finally get a grip on the draft and take a blue print from other good teams.

now will the saints trade back? trade a player or two? or a package of both?

nah history says we will get fewer picks than we started with

on the bright side redoing Drew contract next year is a very friendly move for the team vs. doing it this year.

money says player walk and get tagged and we are in the same boat next year but with the shore in sight

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 11:13 AM

Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil

Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494

Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494

Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings)

DE Will Smith $11,550,000
DB Roman Harper $2,180,000

With those two players savings we pull just under the cap...

Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)...

And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham...

Source: OvertheCap.com

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil

Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494

Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494

Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings)

DE Will Smith $11,550,000
DB Roman Harper $2,180,000

With those two players savings we pull just under the cap...

Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)...

And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham...

Source: OvertheCap.com

Spotrac is updated a lot better than OTC> We signed Nsekhe for 496k and Brooks for 420k in the last two days. I don't like OTC because it leaves things out.

Our Over is presently $15,249,590m
We have 1,626,985 carry over from 2013 to 2014

Also the 2014 Cap commitment you are showing is only for TOP 51

Then there still is:

Resigning Free Agents
Signing Draft picks
Practice squad
Saving 2m in reserve for injuries during camp and or preseason.

ScottF · 01-27-2014, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Spotrac is updated a lot better than OTC> We signed Nsekhe for 496k and Brooks for 420k in the last two days. I don't like OTC because it leaves things out.

Nsekhe is huge, but old for a 'futures'. Maybe Brown is a goner after all.

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01-26-2014, 10:14 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Agree, not sure we need "wholesale" change; maintain continuity... With maybe the exception on the offensive line... Not sure we don't already "package" or "feature" certain running backs from week to week depending on opponent... Expect that either Sproles or Thomas to be released from their respective contracts; both a Thomas and Sproles fan, but Sproles' size, being 30+, and much slower than two years ago, plus the knee injury - he's most vulnerable... Thomas still has the power and is the most effective running the screen (have posted ad nauseum); but Ingram is his biggest factor in returning; Ingram could be extended with his salary slot and Thomas will turn 30 this season... Thomas is most likely to be cut because he a no dwad money at all...

01-27-2014, 07:39 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) the cap is a mess. super bowl hang over contracts are killing us. Mickey has a plan i hope draft is the best way to address a cap issue. so sit back and watch and see what happens

01-27-2014, 08:11 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by hagan714 the cap is a mess. super bowl hang over contracts are killing us. Mickey has a plan i hope draft is the best way to address a cap issue. so sit back and watch and see what happens No sir. We do not have anyone on a big contract due to the SB. Evans and Brees are about it and they were All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, MVPs, etc... Smiths huge contract was from 2008. We only have 9-10 players that were even on that 2009 team.

01-27-2014, 08:25 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak No sir. We do not have anyone on a big contract due to the SB. Evans and Brees are about it and they were All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, MVPs, etc... Smiths huge contract was from 2008. We only have 9-10 players that were even on that 2009 team. Thats true, but he did nail it on the draft comment. The best way to bring that cap down is to start hitting on draft picks. We knocked it out of the ball park (and halfway across the parking lot) in 2013. Another year or two like that and we'll be sitting pretty cap wise, even with Drews big contract. BTW, Drew is currently the 4th highest paid QB in the league. With Newton, Wilson, Kaeppernick contracts coming up soon he'll probably drop out of the top 5. His contract amount isn't all that absurd.

01-27-2014, 08:59 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Thats true, but he did nail it on the draft comment. The best way to bring that cap down is to start hitting on draft picks. We knocked it out of the ball park (and halfway across the parking lot) in 2013. Another year or two like that and we'll be sitting pretty cap wise, even with Drews big contract. BTW, Drew is currently the 4th highest paid QB in the league. With Newton, Wilson, Kaeppernick contracts coming up soon he'll probably drop out of the top 5. His contract amount isn't all that absurd. Its a catch-22 Danno. Too many draft homeruns will balloon on you especially when you make it to a SB or NFCCG. FAs are less likely to balloon on you as their market values have been pretty much set after their rookie contract. Your examples on Kaep and Wilson prove my point which leaves a dilemma. A. You get a good blend and maintain some retention. B. You flood the team with youth and every three years if you are successful have to deal with high turnover because you cant fit all the outstanding players under your cap. Its a good problem to have but still a problem none the less. In my opinion the solution is not an either, or; but a blend. The short term solution typically looks fantastic until you look at the effect long term.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

01-27-2014, 09:03 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Its a catch-22 Danno. Too many draft homeruns will balloon on you especially when you make it to a SB or NFCCG. FAs are less likely to balloon on you as their market values have been pretty much set after their rookie contract. Your examples on Kaep and Wilson prove my point which leaves a dilemma. A. You get a good blend and maintain some retention. B. You flood the team with youth and every three years if you are successful have to deal with high turnover because you cant fit all the outstanding players under your cap. Its a good problem to have but still a problem none the less. In my opinion the solution is not an either, or; but a blend. The short term solution typically looks fantastic until you look at the effect long term. Good points, and its also why every team needs solid role players. Role players won't break the bank and help maintain continuity year to year. You can't afford to have an all-pro at every position.

01-27-2014, 09:24 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) in all honesty i do not see my dreams being full filled this year in FA. might get some nice second tier players and re shuffle the practice squad but the draft is the key to getting a handle on this cap issue for the next few years. so i am wondering if the saints will finally get a grip on the draft and take a blue print from other good teams. now will the saints trade back? trade a player or two? or a package of both? nah history says we will get fewer picks than we started with on the bright side redoing Drew contract next year is a very friendly move for the team vs. doing it this year. money says player walk and get tagged and we are in the same boat next year but with the shore in sight
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01-27-2014, 11:13 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494 Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494 Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings) DE Will Smith $11,550,000 DB Roman Harper $2,180,000 With those two players savings we pull just under the cap... Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)... And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham... Source: OvertheCap.com

01-27-2014, 11:25 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Projected 2014 Salary Cap Number - $126,300,000mil Saints Committed 2014 Salary Cap - $139,812,494 Saints Over Commitment for 2014 -$13,512,494 Likely Cuts (Pos, Name, Savings) DE Will Smith $11,550,000 DB Roman Harper $2,180,000 With those two players savings we pull just under the cap... Then, we still need a Center and an Offensive Tackle as DLP and Strief are free agents (no committed salary)... And then there's the designation of Jimmy Graham... Source: OvertheCap.com Spotrac is updated a lot better than OTC> We signed Nsekhe for 496k and Brooks for 420k in the last two days. I don't like OTC because it leaves things out. Our Over is presently $15,249,590m We have 1,626,985 carry over from 2013 to 2014 Also the 2014 Cap commitment you are showing is only for TOP 51 Then there still is: Resigning Free Agents Signing Draft picks Practice squad Saving 2m in reserve for injuries during camp and or preseason.
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