Who to cut (cap hits included)

Danno · 01-26-2014, 10:28 AM

So two fumbles in three years is a fumbling problem to you?
I just don't know how to reply to that one.

alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

I see your point but when you start cutting all of these backs, who do you plan on replacing them with???

All of these? Im not suggesting cutting every Saints running back

To me we ran the ball better when forced to go to a two back rotation with one extra back for injury....

New Back... I think my two names were Jeremy Hill, or Andre Williams
Khiry
Sproles.... Healthy of course......

alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

So two fumbles in three years is a fumbling problem to you?
I just don't know how to reply to that one.

Then don't. I fully explained why I felt that way.... I think I did that well enough for you to understand why I felt that way........ But, if that's not enough for you I could also add the injury history, and the 2 plus years of two yards and a cloud of dust if the first part doesn't help you.... I don't feel he is the future of our back field.... It's an opinion... my opinion, and mine only!!!!

alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

CUTS:
Smith
Sproles
Thomas
Moore

Restructures:
Harper
Greer

Re-sign
Graham
Bush
Wade
Haralson

Cap Room
$168,546

Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion.

You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do.

Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap

Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White???

alleycat_126 · 01-26-2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull.

Well that Big Boob Bull is worth 5 million, shouldn't we at least consider restructuring it.....

CoreyO · 01-26-2014, 11:23 AM

I say let sproles go but keep thomas, thomas is very underated. Smith, Jreer, moore should go. Also dont sign haralson he is a great player no doubt but he is too injury prone

blackangold · 01-26-2014, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White???

Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap.

You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that.

As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense.

The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

NonieT · 01-26-2014, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap.

You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that.

As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense.

The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

YES!!!

K Major · 01-26-2014, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

New Back... I think my two names were Jeremy Hill, or Andre Williams
Khiry
Sproles.... Healthy of course......

Zip Jeremy Hill. I don't think Payton would want to waste time developing this kid when we have Ingram, Khiry etc. Plus JH off the field issues are still a concern.

TheOak · 01-26-2014, 03:21 PM

Cutting:

1. You can cut when a player is depth but doesn't play.

2. You can cut when there is no dead money associated.

3. You can cut when cap hit is higher than dead money hit..... AND you can find better talent for no more than the difference.

Anything other that will hurt.

You don't cut a 5M cap hit with 4.5M dead money and replace with equal talent. WTF is the gain?

01-26-2014, 10:28 AM	#61
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) So two fumbles in three years is a fumbling problem to you? I just don't know how to reply to that one.

01-26-2014, 10:38 AM	#62
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint I see your point but when you start cutting all of these backs, who do you plan on replacing them with??? All of these? Im not suggesting cutting every Saints running back To me we ran the ball better when forced to go to a two back rotation with one extra back for injury.... New Back... I think my two names were Jeremy Hill, or Andre Williams Khiry Sproles.... Healthy of course......

01-26-2014, 10:46 AM	#63
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno So two fumbles in three years is a fumbling problem to you? I just don't know how to reply to that one. Then don't. I fully explained why I felt that way.... I think I did that well enough for you to understand why I felt that way........ But, if that's not enough for you I could also add the injury history, and the 2 plus years of two yards and a cloud of dust if the first part doesn't help you.... I don't feel he is the future of our back field.... It's an opinion... my opinion, and mine only!!!!

01-26-2014, 11:03 AM	#64
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold CUTS: Smith Sproles Thomas Moore Restructures: Harper Greer Re-sign Graham Bush Wade Haralson Cap Room $168,546 Still need to sign the drafted players and need a new RT and C. Not going to be an easy year for Loomis. Restructuring Brees is out of the question because we need to save that for next year. Colston could restructure to save 3.05m or we could cut PRob to save 1.3m. Don't expect some major signings this year. Going to be a harsh off-season in my opinion. You can play with the cap at this site... see how you do. Salary Cap Calculator - Over the Cap Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White???

01-26-2014, 11:10 AM	#65
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Sack and tackle stats for a DT are as useless as tits on a bull. Well that Big Boob Bull is worth 5 million, shouldn't we at least consider restructuring it.....

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01-26-2014, 11:23 AM	#66
CoreyO 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 550	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) I say let sproles go but keep thomas, thomas is very underated. Smith, Jreer, moore should go. Also dont sign haralson he is a great player no doubt but he is too injury prone
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01-26-2014, 11:30 AM	#67
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Not if you start placing more names on that cut list........ Also a few questions, Why are people so high on Haralson??? Ive seen 3 or 4 people now including my brother who love Haralson off two similar injuries coming back??? why bring Greer back if you draft a starter and you bring back a younger P Rob, and Corey White??? Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap. You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that. As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense. The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it?

01-26-2014, 12:15 PM	#68
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by blackangold Haralson plays the run very well and comes cheap. You keep Greer and Harper off of restructures. If they are unwilling then cut them, but you can restructure them to a point where you would only save 500k cutting them... doesn't make sense to do that. As far as cutting more people; it gets really tight. Everyone in this thread talks about cutting Buckley but if you look at his 6.1m cap number but 5m in dead money cutting him to save 1.1m doesn't make sense. The more I think about it i don't know if we can afford to keep Graham. If we keep him we might lose 3-4 starters through cuts alone. We have had the #1 offense without Graham in the past, is he really worth it? YES!!!
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01-26-2014, 03:12 PM	#69
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by alleycat_126 New Back... I think my two names were Jeremy Hill, or Andre Williams Khiry Sproles.... Healthy of course...... Zip Jeremy Hill. I don't think Payton would want to waste time developing this kid when we have Ingram, Khiry etc. Plus JH off the field issues are still a concern.

01-26-2014, 03:21 PM	#70
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Cutting: 1. You can cut when a player is depth but doesn't play. 2. You can cut when there is no dead money associated. 3. You can cut when cap hit is higher than dead money hit..... AND you can find better talent for no more than the difference. Anything other that will hurt. You don't cut a 5M cap hit with 4.5M dead money and replace with equal talent. WTF is the gain? mleg1972, blackangold, lee909 and 1 others like this.

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