Who to cut (cap hits included)

Danno · 01-27-2014, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

From something i posted in another thread.

Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space...

Drastic times...

Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year.

Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps.

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Drastic times...

Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year.

Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps.

Crap, your right.... Only caveat being that if it's after June 1st it's divided out over 2 years.

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 04:40 PM

By the by, cutting Bunkley, which would be a huge mistake from a personnel standpoint, would only save $1,275,000 of his $6,112,500 cap number - so in both cases, that's a mistake...

Cutting Pierre Thomas would save significantly more, $2,900,000, but that's a bargain for his production and I'd hate to see the best screen back in football leave...

Sproles may be vulnerable as of his 2014 salaray cap number, $4,250,000, a savings of $3,500,000 would be earned...

If Lance Moore were released we'd save $2,531,250, just under half of his $5,068,750 salary cap number...

Now that Mark Ingram is progressing, is younger, and may have found his rhythm with the Saints, I'd had to cut hims as of his cap number of $2,359,875, we'd only save $1,386,375...

Malcolm Jenkins is another cap casualty candidate as his $1,644,000 cap number could be recovered...

Jabari Greer is another only other player that may be vulnerable as the Saints would recover $3,175,000 of his 2014 number of $5,825,000...

Most of the other players would either represent small savings or releasing them would accelerate cap hits and cost more for 2014...

Source: OvertheCap.com

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 04:46 PM

Oh, Colston's numbers...

Base Salary $5,500,000
ProRated Bonus $2,700,000
Roster Bonus $0
Workout Bonus $100,000
Cap Number $8,300,000
Dead Money $10,100,000
Cap Savings ($1,800,000)

Colston's not really going anywhere other than trade and we'd still take a modest hit...

Colston's problem is the team does prioritize getting him the ball outside of formations that give a tell to defenses to anticipate Colston as the priority target...

Source: OvertheCap.com

Danno · 01-27-2014, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Oh, Colston's numbers...

Base Salary $5,500,000
ProRated Bonus $2,700,000
Roster Bonus $0
Workout Bonus $100,000
Cap Number $8,300,000
Dead Money $10,100,000
Cap Savings ($1,800,000)

Colston's not really going anywhere other than trade and we'd still take a modest hit...

Colston's problem is the team does prioritize getting him the ball outside of formations that give a tell to defenses to anticipate Colston as the priority target...

Keeping Colston costs us 8 million
Trading Colston costs us 10 million (or 5 this year plus 5 next year), and then we still have to replace him.

Its cheaper to keep him than trade him.

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Keeping Colston costs us 8 million
Trading Colston costs us 10 million (or 5 this year plus 5 next year), and then we still have to replace him.

Its cheaper to keep him than trade him.

Exactly, well trading him only costs us the prorated et al bonus, we'd save some of the actual base not already due to this season, but it's even still somewhat prohibitive to trading him...

So Throw Him The Damn Ball!!!

jeanpierre · 01-27-2014, 05:05 PM

USA Today: 2014 NFL salary cap set for a bump of less than 3%

halloween 65 · 01-27-2014, 05:10 PM

Hey guys, look on the bright Brees and his 100 million will rest nice!!

TheOak · 01-27-2014, 06:36 PM

Still stuck on that......

Danno · 01-27-2014, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Still stuck on that......

Amazes me still. His contract is exactly equal to market value. I'm not happy about his tactics, but his contract is on par with his talent.

If people wanna cry about over-paying someone, they should focus on Will Smith, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, Thomas Morstead, Broderick Bunkley, Darren Sproles, Roman Harper, and Curtis Lofton.

Drew's contract is far from the main problem.

Wanna bet we pay the stay puff marshmallow TE about 20 million too much?

01-27-2014, 03:04 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak From something i posted in another thread. Trade Colston and free up 8.3M in cap space... Drastic times... Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year. Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps.

01-27-2014, 03:13 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Drastic times... Its not outside the realm of possibility. We're gonna lose some really popular players. Its looking inevitable that players like PT, Colston, Moore, Graham (?), Sproles, Ingram, may be playing for someone else next year. Question, because the new CBA screws me up...signing bonus still stays with the Saints even if we trade a player. So Colston's signing bonus portion of his dead money will still apply to our cap, right? If so trading Colston hurts our cap instead of helps. Crap, your right.... Only caveat being that if it's after June 1st it's divided out over 2 years.

01-27-2014, 04:40 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) By the by, cutting Bunkley, which would be a huge mistake from a personnel standpoint, would only save $1,275,000 of his $6,112,500 cap number - so in both cases, that's a mistake... Cutting Pierre Thomas would save significantly more, $2,900,000, but that's a bargain for his production and I'd hate to see the best screen back in football leave... Sproles may be vulnerable as of his 2014 salaray cap number, $4,250,000, a savings of $3,500,000 would be earned... If Lance Moore were released we'd save $2,531,250, just under half of his $5,068,750 salary cap number... Now that Mark Ingram is progressing, is younger, and may have found his rhythm with the Saints, I'd had to cut hims as of his cap number of $2,359,875, we'd only save $1,386,375... Malcolm Jenkins is another cap casualty candidate as his $1,644,000 cap number could be recovered... Jabari Greer is another only other player that may be vulnerable as the Saints would recover $3,175,000 of his 2014 number of $5,825,000... Most of the other players would either represent small savings or releasing them would accelerate cap hits and cost more for 2014... Source: OvertheCap.com
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01-27-2014, 04:46 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Oh, Colston's numbers... Base Salary $5,500,000 ProRated Bonus $2,700,000 Roster Bonus $0 Workout Bonus $100,000 Cap Number $8,300,000 Dead Money $10,100,000 Cap Savings ($1,800,000) Colston's not really going anywhere other than trade and we'd still take a modest hit... Colston's problem is the team does prioritize getting him the ball outside of formations that give a tell to defenses to anticipate Colston as the priority target... Source: OvertheCap.com

01-27-2014, 04:48 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Oh, Colston's numbers... Base Salary $5,500,000 ProRated Bonus $2,700,000 Roster Bonus $0 Workout Bonus $100,000 Cap Number $8,300,000 Dead Money $10,100,000 Cap Savings ($1,800,000) Colston's not really going anywhere other than trade and we'd still take a modest hit... Colston's problem is the team does prioritize getting him the ball outside of formations that give a tell to defenses to anticipate Colston as the priority target... Keeping Colston costs us 8 million Trading Colston costs us 10 million (or 5 this year plus 5 next year), and then we still have to replace him. Its cheaper to keep him than trade him.

01-27-2014, 05:04 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by Danno Keeping Colston costs us 8 million Trading Colston costs us 10 million (or 5 this year plus 5 next year), and then we still have to replace him. Its cheaper to keep him than trade him. Exactly, well trading him only costs us the prorated et al bonus, we'd save some of the actual base not already due to this season, but it's even still somewhat prohibitive to trading him... So Throw Him The Damn Ball!!! Crusader likes this.

01-27-2014, 05:05 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) USA Today: 2014 NFL salary cap set for a bump of less than 3%

01-27-2014, 05:10 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Hey guys, look on the bright Brees and his 100 million will rest nice!! jeanpierre likes this.

01-27-2014, 06:36 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Still stuck on that...... Danno likes this.

01-27-2014, 06:42 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Who to cut (cap hits included) Originally Posted by TheOak Still stuck on that...... Amazes me still. His contract is exactly equal to market value. I'm not happy about his tactics, but his contract is on par with his talent. If people wanna cry about over-paying someone, they should focus on Will Smith, Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Pierre Thomas, Thomas Morstead, Broderick Bunkley, Darren Sproles, Roman Harper, and Curtis Lofton. Drew's contract is far from the main problem. Wanna bet we pay the stay puff marshmallow TE about 20 million too much?

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