Should Drew Play for Less $$ ?

Utah_Saint · 02-05-2014, 09:56 PM

In no way would I give up Drew for the cap space, but that's just me. I think the team is built around him and he carries it well. The Saints have been one of the best teams in the league since he's been here and I don't think that's going to change much over the length of his contract.

That being said..I can understand the people that feel Drew's contract puts the team in a bind when looking for available talent.

Originally Posted by TheOak

2012 - Drew Brees 2012 cap hit 11.7m from restructure extension. Drew's new contract has a cap hit of 10.4 million once again creating Cap 1.3m Space... Which top tier free agent did we sign?

In 2012

The Saints signed Curtis Lofton, he was considered the top FA available at his position.
Scout.com: 2012 NFL Free Agency MLB Rankings

Also, Ben Grubbs was the only other 5 star rated OG.
Scout.com: 2012 NFL Free Agency OG Rankings

2013- Drew Brees 2013 cap hit from the restructure extension 13.4m, new contract cap hit 17.4m . We sign the best free agent acquisition of the season Keenan Lewis.

At the time (thank goodness for seeing what he could be) Keenan Lewis was not considered a major free agent. He was ranked as the 6th best available free agent corner.
Scout.com: 2013 NFL Free Agency CB Rankings

1. New Orleans does not ever go after top tier free agents.... Sproles, Lewis, Sharper - all gold mines, non considered top tier when we nabbed them.

Sproles was considered top tier. Scout.com graded him as a 5 star running back. And considered him the #1 unrestricted free agent running back. The only free agents that graded out higher, were restricted and retained by their teams.
Scout.com: 2011 NFL Free Agency RB Rankings

2. NFL GMs use the Salary Cap just like most people use Credit Cards. They live near maxed-out and only make room when they want to buy something. Mickey Loomis lives between .5 and 3m from the cap, when he wants something he makes some room (E.g. Smith pay cut). If Drew's contract was only 10m a year Smith and a few others wouldn't have been asked to take cuts or restructures and we would still be .5m from the cap.

That's a legitimate statement but the opposite would then also be true. If Loomis had more money to play with, he'd go for higher priced free agents and stay within .5m of the cap.

Drew has restructured once already and he will do it again when it is needed. Presently it isn't needed as Loomis will make a cap payment cutting Smith and then buy something else.

It's going to take more than Will's salary just to retain the players we have. We will have cap casualties or players we would have kept if we had more money to spend. Because of the cap situation we will not be able to pursue some of the players that could address some of the teams needs e.g. Vonte Davis, Rodgers-Cromartie, Alex Mack, Brandon Spikes etc...

So in closing, we do not go after top tier FAs even when we have money and Drew's contract hasn't prevented anything as Loomis makes a payment for new toys.

It's not just Drew's contract though. There are a few contracts that are higher than average for the position. With salary caps, it's all a balancing game. You have to balance studs, very good players and journeymen. The more studs you have the fewer very good players you'll be able to afford and the more journeyman you end up with.

I gotta believe we do go after the best FA available that we can afford and if we can afford top tier free agents we go after them.

Last season there was less money to play with so there weren't any really big name signings. Most of us were really impressed with what Loomis was able to do. I expect him to impress again this year but this season will be even tighter.

If you are really set on someone's contract being limiting to this team get all up in Will Smith azz.

Truer words have never been spoken.

View Poll Results: Should Drew play for less money.
No, he earned his contract.	15	44.12%
Yes,if he cared about the team he'd play for less than he's worth.	14	41.18%
Yes, he doesn't deserve to be payed like an elite QB.	2	5.88%
No, he should think about his and his family's future and get every peny he can get.	3	8.82%
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02-05-2014, 09:56 PM	#28
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Should Drew Play for Less $$ ? In no way would I give up Drew for the cap space, but that's just me. I think the team is built around him and he carries it well. The Saints have been one of the best teams in the league since he's been here and I don't think that's going to change much over the length of his contract. That being said..I can understand the people that feel Drew's contract puts the team in a bind when looking for available talent. Originally Posted by TheOak 2012 - Drew Brees 2012 cap hit 11.7m from restructure extension. Drew's new contract has a cap hit of 10.4 million once again creating Cap 1.3m Space... Which top tier free agent did we sign? In 2012 The Saints signed Curtis Lofton, he was considered the top FA available at his position. Scout.com: 2012 NFL Free Agency MLB Rankings Also, Ben Grubbs was the only other 5 star rated OG. Scout.com: 2012 NFL Free Agency OG Rankings 2013- Drew Brees 2013 cap hit from the restructure extension 13.4m, new contract cap hit 17.4m . We sign the best free agent acquisition of the season Keenan Lewis. At the time (thank goodness for seeing what he could be) Keenan Lewis was not considered a major free agent. He was ranked as the 6th best available free agent corner. Scout.com: 2013 NFL Free Agency CB Rankings 1. New Orleans does not ever go after top tier free agents.... Sproles, Lewis, Sharper - all gold mines, non considered top tier when we nabbed them. Sproles was considered top tier. Scout.com graded him as a 5 star running back. And considered him the #1 unrestricted free agent running back. The only free agents that graded out higher, were restricted and retained by their teams. Scout.com: 2011 NFL Free Agency RB Rankings 2. NFL GMs use the Salary Cap just like most people use Credit Cards. They live near maxed-out and only make room when they want to buy something. Mickey Loomis lives between .5 and 3m from the cap, when he wants something he makes some room (E.g. Smith pay cut). If Drew's contract was only 10m a year Smith and a few others wouldn't have been asked to take cuts or restructures and we would still be .5m from the cap. That's a legitimate statement but the opposite would then also be true. If Loomis had more money to play with, he'd go for higher priced free agents and stay within .5m of the cap. Drew has restructured once already and he will do it again when it is needed. Presently it isn't needed as Loomis will make a cap payment cutting Smith and then buy something else. It's going to take more than Will's salary just to retain the players we have. We will have cap casualties or players we would have kept if we had more money to spend. Because of the cap situation we will not be able to pursue some of the players that could address some of the teams needs e.g. Vonte Davis, Rodgers-Cromartie, Alex Mack, Brandon Spikes etc... So in closing, we do not go after top tier FAs even when we have money and Drew's contract hasn't prevented anything as Loomis makes a payment for new toys. It's not just Drew's contract though. There are a few contracts that are higher than average for the position. With salary caps, it's all a balancing game. You have to balance studs, very good players and journeymen. The more studs you have the fewer very good players you'll be able to afford and the more journeyman you end up with. I gotta believe we do go after the best FA available that we can afford and if we can afford top tier free agents we go after them. Last season there was less money to play with so there weren't any really big name signings. Most of us were really impressed with what Loomis was able to do. I expect him to impress again this year but this season will be even tighter. If you are really set on someone's contract being limiting to this team get all up in Will Smith azz. Truer words have never been spoken.

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