Saints Defense... Is this a fair assessment?

VillainAgain · 02-04-2014, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I think history would argue that its not fair, and to lump the entire defense into that statement isn't fair either.

2009 25th ranked defense <--- wound suggest not very talented.
Sharper - 9 INTs (very talented)
Porter - Jumped Payton Manning's route (not an extremely talented corner back)"

That would be true but that doesn't tell the whole story in 09 we gave everybody 40+ All of those defensive stats are padded from garbage time if we didn't sh__ on everyone i'm sure the defense would have buckled down and ranked top 5 they knew how to get off the field on 1st down 2nd down and 3rd down i would argue the colts 09 team was better then the bronco's '13 team we shut them down, i won't argue that our 09 defense was better then seattle's '13

Utah_Saint · 02-04-2014, 11:56 PM

I think that's a fair assessment. Most of us have posted over the last year or so how bad the tackling was. This year it was much better. It stands to reason that more emphasis was placed on tackling technique rather than strips. And in the backfield, I don't think there was much route jumping or ball hawking going on. They may have been coached to take fewer chances. Whether that is due to personnel or just learning the system, who knows, but I think it will get better.

Euphoria · 02-05-2014, 09:34 AM

I don't think you can come in with a some what a new system and change it over night.

You need time to build that confidence up and know what you can and can't do out there in the system. Some of it comes with trust.

TheOak · 02-05-2014, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think you can come in with a some what a new system and change it over night.

You need time to build that confidence up and know what you can and can't do out there in the system. Some of it comes with trust.

Precisely, get them focused on executing the defensive game plan and proper tackling. once that is second nature, then worry about trying to force turnovers.

In the past I have seen players try to jump routs, miss, and the receiver take it to the house; or missed tackles because someone was trying to put a helmet on the ball.

Saintaintso · 02-05-2014, 10:12 AM

Rob Ryan May be the only reason Brees gets another ring

I understand the need for offensive weapons this year but ... Seattle has changed that urge greatly ... I think our offense is better than theirs , and our defense wasn't too far from theirs either ( I feel our defense out performed them in the playoffs ) if we upgrade on d by taking actual risks on players like Talib , Byrd , Beason ( was considered Patrick Willis before Patrick Willis ) and get some nasty pass rushers via draft I think we may already have our team for the next 5 years ...

I mean sure picking up or trading for a Josh Gordon makes us insanely dangerous , but if we can dominate teams to where they can't scare but once or twice a game , we wouldn't lose period

Oh and Brees needs to give some of that back ...

Saintaintso · 02-05-2014, 10:14 AM

I wouldn't mind Jared Allen ...

Schmohams · 02-06-2014, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

I wouldn't mind Jared Allen ...

*Pukes all over keyboard*

Jack Vegas · 02-07-2014, 01:30 AM

We were #4 in yardage, #4 in points against. Who needs risks?

RailBoss · 02-07-2014, 02:04 AM

At least we won't be recreating the wheel this coming season the foundation is in place.

WillSaints81 · 02-07-2014, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

That would be true but that doesn't tell the whole story in 09 we gave everybody 40+ All of those defensive stats are padded from garbage time if we didn't sh__ on everyone i'm sure the defense would have buckled down and ranked top 5 they knew how to get off the field on 1st down 2nd down and 3rd down i would argue the colts 09 team was better then the bronco's '13 team we shut them down, i won't argue that our 09 defense was better then seattle's '13

I even knew the colts were better, the team had more heart than the broncos. Manning made a terrible choice.

02-04-2014, 09:04 PM	#11
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Re: Saints Defense... Is this a fair assessment? Originally Posted by TheOak I think history would argue that its not fair, and to lump the entire defense into that statement isn't fair either. 2009 25th ranked defense <--- wound suggest not very talented. Sharper - 9 INTs (very talented) Porter - Jumped Payton Manning's route (not an extremely talented corner back)" That would be true but that doesn't tell the whole story in 09 we gave everybody 40+ All of those defensive stats are padded from garbage time if we didn't sh__ on everyone i'm sure the defense would have buckled down and ranked top 5 they knew how to get off the field on 1st down 2nd down and 3rd down i would argue the colts 09 team was better then the bronco's '13 team we shut them down, i won't argue that our 09 defense was better then seattle's '13
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints Defense... Is this a fair assessment? I think that's a fair assessment. Most of us have posted over the last year or so how bad the tackling was. This year it was much better. It stands to reason that more emphasis was placed on tackling technique rather than strips. And in the backfield, I don't think there was much route jumping or ball hawking going on. They may have been coached to take fewer chances. Whether that is due to personnel or just learning the system, who knows, but I think it will get better. Danno and K Major like this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Defense... Is this a fair assessment? Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think you can come in with a some what a new system and change it over night. You need time to build that confidence up and know what you can and can't do out there in the system. Some of it comes with trust. Precisely, get them focused on executing the defensive game plan and proper tackling. once that is second nature, then worry about trying to force turnovers. In the past I have seen players try to jump routs, miss, and the receiver take it to the house; or missed tackles because someone was trying to put a helmet on the ball.

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Saints Defense... Is this a fair assessment? Originally Posted by VillainAgain That would be true but that doesn't tell the whole story in 09 we gave everybody 40+ All of those defensive stats are padded from garbage time if we didn't sh__ on everyone i'm sure the defense would have buckled down and ranked top 5 they knew how to get off the field on 1st down 2nd down and 3rd down i would argue the colts 09 team was better then the bronco's '13 team we shut them down, i won't argue that our 09 defense was better then seattle's '13 I even knew the colts were better, the team had more heart than the broncos. Manning made a terrible choice.

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