Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

02-12-2014, 11:43 PM

Sorry to be Sally Sourpuss, but we still don't have a starting center or starting right tackle under contract right now...

Rell&Gold · 02-13-2014, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Jack, you're being hard on Smith.

The guy was above average and healthy throughout his career. Charles Grant, however, was a waste of space.

He was average at best only produced 2 double digit sack seasons better run stopper than pass rusher

blackangold · 02-13-2014, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Sorry to be Sally Sourpuss, but we still don't have a starting center or starting right tackle under contract right now...

Harris at RT... Lelito at OC.

Our CBs did fine without Greer. 4th best passing D tells me we have some talent there. That being said i wouldn't mund a CB in the first round.

Crusader · 02-13-2014, 02:15 AM

All four of them were great for us at one time in their careers. They helped take this franchise places it had never been before. Even thou it was time I still sad to see them go. I wish them all the best, except if they sign with the Falcons.

Who Dat!

TheOak · 02-13-2014, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

So, if they are cut by us today, when is the date we can resign... June 1 or later?

We could sign him when ever we want to, we just signed Dawson to an extension.

We won't though. If you look at Greers contract, he didn't need to be cut to gain near 3m in cap space, all he had to do was agree to a lower salary.

It appears he himself chose to hit the market.

The numbers:

If Greer played for vet minimum (10 years) he would have made roughly 1.46m in 2014, and reduced his cap hit from 5.8m to 2.875m an estimated 2.9m in relief. Cutting him only saved us 2.6m in cap space.

So cutting him was not the teams choice, and he could have easily restructured for less, he wants more money.

We did not gut Greer to resign him for less.

TheOak · 02-13-2014, 08:25 AM

Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.

Danno · 02-13-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.

Its a good start but we still have to sign Graham, Strief, DLP, Bush, a Kicker, Meachem or Morgan, Haralson, Collins, Harris...

I expect a few more surprises pretty soon.

K Major · 02-13-2014, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.

Should we expect Lance Moore or Pierre Thomas to be the next cap casualty?

Danno · 02-13-2014, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Should we expect Lance Moore or Pierre Thomas to be the next cap casualty?

I'm hoping we're trying to restructure most of the remaining high priced guys. Which is fine as long as it doesn't hurt us more down the road.

TheOak · 02-13-2014, 09:38 AM

I think the easier cuts have been made, the rest may be a restructure or go scenario. We have a lot of higher salary lower bonus scenarios where a cut in salary or extension with resturcuture would help.

Brees - 18.4m cap / 10.7m salary
Evans - 11m cap / 6.8m salary
Grubbs - 9.1m / 6m in salary
Sproles - 4.2m cap / 3.4m in salary
Colston - 8.3m cap / 5.5m salary
Bunkley 6m cap / 4.4m salary
Moore - 5m cap / 3.1m salary
Thomas - 2.9m cap / 2.9m salary

If each took a 1m salary cut, all would still pull roughly 2m in salary for 2014 but it would free up 8m, +3m in space from previous cuts and we have 11m in cap space.

Not sure how this will play out, I know if I am Loomis I have my schedule book for the next two days bringing them in 1 at a time and give them a choice. "Help us lower our cap, or we will help you find a new home".

Be patient, we still have a month to get under the cap and that is only for the top 51.

2014 may just be the season where 25% of the jerseys change names.

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02-13-2014, 01:33 AM	#42
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Jack, you're being hard on Smith. The guy was above average and healthy throughout his career. Charles Grant, however, was a waste of space. He was average at best only produced 2 double digit sack seasons better run stopper than pass rusher

02-13-2014, 01:45 AM	#43
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by jeanpierre Sorry to be Sally Sourpuss, but we still don't have a starting center or starting right tackle under contract right now... Harris at RT... Lelito at OC. Our CBs did fine without Greer. 4th best passing D tells me we have some talent there. That being said i wouldn't mund a CB in the first round.

02-13-2014, 02:15 AM	#44
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) All four of them were great for us at one time in their careers. They helped take this franchise places it had never been before. Even thou it was time I still sad to see them go. I wish them all the best, except if they sign with the Falcons. Who Dat! Rugby Saint II and FinSaint like this.

02-13-2014, 06:05 AM	#45
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by ScottF So, if they are cut by us today, when is the date we can resign... June 1 or later? We could sign him when ever we want to, we just signed Dawson to an extension. We won't though. If you look at Greers contract, he didn't need to be cut to gain near 3m in cap space, all he had to do was agree to a lower salary. It appears he himself chose to hit the market. The numbers: If Greer played for vet minimum (10 years) he would have made roughly 1.46m in 2014, and reduced his cap hit from 5.8m to 2.875m an estimated 2.9m in relief. Cutting him only saved us 2.6m in cap space. So cutting him was not the teams choice, and he could have easily restructured for less, he wants more money. We did not gut Greer to resign him for less.
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02-13-2014, 08:25 AM	#46
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Presently we are 3.7m under the cap.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by TheOak Presently we are 3.7m under the cap. Its a good start but we still have to sign Graham, Strief, DLP, Bush, a Kicker, Meachem or Morgan, Haralson, Collins, Harris... I expect a few more surprises pretty soon.

02-13-2014, 09:12 AM	#48
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by TheOak Presently we are 3.7m under the cap. Should we expect Lance Moore or Pierre Thomas to be the next cap casualty?

02-13-2014, 09:15 AM	#49
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by K Major Should we expect Lance Moore or Pierre Thomas to be the next cap casualty? I'm hoping we're trying to restructure most of the remaining high priced guys. Which is fine as long as it doesn't hurt us more down the road.

02-13-2014, 09:38 AM	#50
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) I think the easier cuts have been made, the rest may be a restructure or go scenario. We have a lot of higher salary lower bonus scenarios where a cut in salary or extension with resturcuture would help. Brees - 18.4m cap / 10.7m salary Evans - 11m cap / 6.8m salary Grubbs - 9.1m / 6m in salary Sproles - 4.2m cap / 3.4m in salary Colston - 8.3m cap / 5.5m salary Bunkley 6m cap / 4.4m salary Moore - 5m cap / 3.1m salary Thomas - 2.9m cap / 2.9m salary If each took a 1m salary cut, all would still pull roughly 2m in salary for 2014 but it would free up 8m, +3m in space from previous cuts and we have 11m in cap space. Not sure how this will play out, I know if I am Loomis I have my schedule book for the next two days bringing them in 1 at a time and give them a choice. "Help us lower our cap, or we will help you find a new home". Be patient, we still have a month to get under the cap and that is only for the top 51. 2014 may just be the season where 25% of the jerseys change names.
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