Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

Jack Vegas · 02-12-2014, 06:30 PM

I love Jabari Greer, he is the only guy out of this bunch I really hate to see go. I have nothing against Harper and Vilma, they contributed a lot but it was time.

Will Smith, I can't stand. Guy never lived up to his billing. He was fat, slow and took a lot of stupid penalties. He wasn't even that good in the Super Bowl year, he had a lot of sacks but was terribly inconsistent.

iceshack149 · 02-13-2014, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Will Smith, I can't stand. Guy never lived up to his billing. He was fat, slow and took a lot of stupid penalties. He wasn't even that good in the Super Bowl year, he had a lot of sacks but was terribly inconsistent.

Smith ranks fourth in Saints history with 67.5 career sacks. He had a career-high 13 of them during the Saints' 2009 Super Bowl season. And he had 10.5 of them during his Pro Bowl season in 2006. Before he tore his ACL last summer, Smith had only missed five games in his first nine seasons.

He slowed down these past couple of years but Smith was a solid player and a leader on the defense.

TheOak · 02-13-2014, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

He slowed down these past couple of years but Smith was a solid player and a leader on the defense.

Will Smith career has been a roller coaster, and I have to ask just how many defensive leaders have we had? Every time someone leaves or is in danger of leaving he is labeled a leader.

Will Smith
Johnathan Vilma
Scott Fujita
Curtis Lofton
Scott Shanle
....
..
..

They were all on the same team at the same time. We had a crap load of leadership for the worst defense in 2012.

K Major · 02-13-2014, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Will Smith career has been a roller coaster, and I have to ask just how many defensive leaders have we had? Every time someone leaves or is in danger of leaving he is labeled a leader.

Will Smith
Johnathan Vilma
Scott Fujita
Curtis Lofton
Scott Shanle
....
..
..

They were all on the same team at the same time. We had a crap load of leadership for the worst defense in 2012.

Not defending any of the aforementioned guys, but I would put a bulk of the blame on Spaggs.

Budsdrinker · 02-14-2014, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Will Smith career has been a roller coaster, and I have to ask just how many defensive leaders have we had? Every time someone leaves or is in danger of leaving he is labeled a leader.

Will Smith
Johnathan Vilma
Scott Fujita
Curtis Lofton
Scott Shanle
....
..
..

They were all on the same team at the same time. We had a crap load of leadership for the worst defense in 2012.

Nope, not true. Fujita was gone in 2010 and Vilma and Lofton didn't play much together because of Vilma's suspension and injuries. Lofton was Vilma's replacement. Will Smith was asked to do many things in his tenure, put on weight to be a run stuffer, drop weight to be a pass rusher and he did all of that. I think Smith had a nice career with the Saints.

TheOak · 02-14-2014, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Nope, not true. Fujita was gone in 2010 and Vilma and Lofton didn't play much together because of Vilma's suspension and injuries. Lofton was Vilma's replacement. Will Smith was asked to do many things in his tenure, put on weight to be a run stuffer, drop weight to be a pass rusher and he did all of that. I think Smith had a nice career with the Saints.

Correct, Lofton was the only oddball out.

He was asked to do many things, and he did them. But not successfully.

Will Smith spent the season on IR, never made a home game to support his team on the sidelines. I know because I have him on my Instagram and I can show you what he was doing on game days. That is no leader, nor is it a 10m a year player.

exile · 02-13-2014, 09:44 AM

The Raiders.

Oakland Raiders beat writer Vic Tafur said it is possible the team could show interest in veteran SS Roman Harper, who was released by the New Orleans Saints. However, he said he really could see the team showing an interest in DE Will Smith, also released by the Saints. Smith has a history with Raiders head coach Dennis Allen - See more at: Raiders | Could show interest in Will Smith - NFL Hot off the Wire

ScottF · 02-13-2014, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by exile

The Raiders.

Oakland Raiders beat writer Vic Tafur said it is possible the team could show interest in veteran SS Roman Harper, who was released by the New Orleans Saints. However, he said he really could see the team showing an interest in DE Will Smith, also released by the Saints. Smith has a history with Raiders head coach Dennis Allen - See more at: Raiders | Could show interest in Will Smith - NFL Hot off the Wire

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02-12-2014, 06:30 PM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) I love Jabari Greer, he is the only guy out of this bunch I really hate to see go. I have nothing against Harper and Vilma, they contributed a lot but it was time. Will Smith, I can't stand. Guy never lived up to his billing. He was fat, slow and took a lot of stupid penalties. He wasn't even that good in the Super Bowl year, he had a lot of sacks but was terribly inconsistent.
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02-13-2014, 08:39 AM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Will Smith, I can't stand. Guy never lived up to his billing. He was fat, slow and took a lot of stupid penalties. He wasn't even that good in the Super Bowl year, he had a lot of sacks but was terribly inconsistent. Smith ranks fourth in Saints history with 67.5 career sacks. He had a career-high 13 of them during the Saints' 2009 Super Bowl season. And he had 10.5 of them during his Pro Bowl season in 2006. Before he tore his ACL last summer, Smith had only missed five games in his first nine seasons. He slowed down these past couple of years but Smith was a solid player and a leader on the defense.

02-13-2014, 08:50 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by iceshack149 He slowed down these past couple of years but Smith was a solid player and a leader on the defense. Will Smith career has been a roller coaster, and I have to ask just how many defensive leaders have we had? Every time someone leaves or is in danger of leaving he is labeled a leader. Will Smith Johnathan Vilma Scott Fujita Curtis Lofton Scott Shanle .... .. .. They were all on the same team at the same time. We had a crap load of leadership for the worst defense in 2012. Danno, ScottF and CoreyO like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by TheOak Will Smith career has been a roller coaster, and I have to ask just how many defensive leaders have we had? Every time someone leaves or is in danger of leaving he is labeled a leader. Will Smith Johnathan Vilma Scott Fujita Curtis Lofton Scott Shanle .... .. .. They were all on the same team at the same time. We had a crap load of leadership for the worst defense in 2012. Not defending any of the aforementioned guys, but I would put a bulk of the blame on Spaggs.

02-14-2014, 09:49 AM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by TheOak Will Smith career has been a roller coaster, and I have to ask just how many defensive leaders have we had? Every time someone leaves or is in danger of leaving he is labeled a leader. Will Smith Johnathan Vilma Scott Fujita Curtis Lofton Scott Shanle .... .. .. They were all on the same team at the same time. We had a crap load of leadership for the worst defense in 2012. Nope, not true. Fujita was gone in 2010 and Vilma and Lofton didn't play much together because of Vilma's suspension and injuries. Lofton was Vilma's replacement. Will Smith was asked to do many things in his tenure, put on weight to be a run stuffer, drop weight to be a pass rusher and he did all of that. I think Smith had a nice career with the Saints. Crusader likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Nope, not true. Fujita was gone in 2010 and Vilma and Lofton didn't play much together because of Vilma's suspension and injuries. Lofton was Vilma's replacement. Will Smith was asked to do many things in his tenure, put on weight to be a run stuffer, drop weight to be a pass rusher and he did all of that. I think Smith had a nice career with the Saints. Correct, Lofton was the only oddball out. He was asked to do many things, and he did them. But not successfully. Will Smith spent the season on IR, never made a home game to support his team on the sidelines. I know because I have him on my Instagram and I can show you what he was doing on game days. That is no leader, nor is it a 10m a year player.

02-13-2014, 09:44 AM	#7
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) The Raiders. Oakland Raiders beat writer Vic Tafur said it is possible the team could show interest in veteran SS Roman Harper, who was released by the New Orleans Saints. However, he said he really could see the team showing an interest in DE Will Smith, also released by the Saints. Smith has a history with Raiders head coach Dennis Allen - See more at: Raiders \| Could show interest in Will Smith - NFL Hot off the Wire
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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by exile The Raiders. Oakland Raiders beat writer Vic Tafur said it is possible the team could show interest in veteran SS Roman Harper, who was released by the New Orleans Saints. However, he said he really could see the team showing an interest in DE Will Smith, also released by the Saints. Smith has a history with Raiders head coach Dennis Allen - See more at: Raiders \| Could show interest in Will Smith - NFL Hot off the Wire reunited with Young and Porter

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