Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma)

02-13-2014, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

I thought there was a stipulation that did not allow a team to immediately resign their own players because the teams could use it to renegotiate contracts. Must be thinking of something else.

Hopefully Greer is leaving on a good note. With other vet CB's already available, his price will go down dramatically, and maybe he'll come to his senses later.

That is not a renegotiation, its a long expensive way of restructuring.

Why would a player resign with a team that just cut him? If he is willing to stay at a lower price he just takes a salary cut like Will Smith did. Cut/resign serves no purpose but to cause a dead money issue if there was a bonus.

Essentially in Greer's case there is nothing to gain from a cut/resign, and I don't think there is anything to gain from a cut/resign for any players.

Now, if you cut a player and for some reason resign him later in the season it is not because you want to lower his cap hit. Once you cut him, he no longer has an NFL contract and the only way you get him back is if none of the other 31 teams sign him to a contract.

In Greer's case any sort of cut/resign coats the team 2.65M in dead money for that season. If you resigned him for 1/2 of what he was making before thats 2.6M + the dead money of 2.65m you saved your self a whopping $500k.

TheOak · 02-13-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH! ! ! ! ! i really hate the cutting of harper and greer. if you didnt see will smith and j vilma being cut you were sleeping under a rock! we need some veteran cb's and safeties on the field that can mold the new guys i.e. p robinson, white, smith, vaccarro etc etc. i hate free agency because it forces the gm to make critical cuts to free up money to sign (the potential) star player, in this case jimmy graham. i love jimmy graham "cracker" as my wife likes to call him because she says he's so sweet on the field but history shows once those guys get the big payoff they dont play up to their potential, whether its a nagging injury or they become uncaring, either way i hope this wont hurt us when its all said and done.

Who is sleeping under a rock? Vilma wasn't cut.

voodooido · 02-13-2014, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its a good start but we still have to sign Graham, Strief, DLP, Bush, a Kicker, Meachem or Morgan, Haralson, Collins, Harris...

I expect a few more surprises pretty soon.

I expect everyone of those to be resigned. Strief may be the only one out. I imagine he will want 3-5 mil a year.

Rugby Saint II · 02-13-2014, 01:34 PM

No surprises there. Three of them were on IR and already replaced.

SaintLeonard · 02-13-2014, 05:50 PM

So who might be next?

CoreyO · 02-13-2014, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

So who might be next?

Lance moore, meech will also walk

Danno · 02-13-2014, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyO

Lance moore, meech will also walk

Meachem is a free agent.

We won't save any money.

Seer1 · 02-13-2014, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyO

Lol at the amount of people that don't understand football. There are so many people on saints FB saying this was a huge mistake and the defense will be nothing without these players.... Lawd have mercy

Hell! Dis ain't d'football, dis be bidness, man! Dat be da **** I don't get! I do have a feeling the folks in charge have a pretty good idea as to what they're doing.

Danno · 02-13-2014, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyO

Lol at the amount of people that don't understand football. There are so many people on saints FB saying this was a huge mistake and the defense will be nothing without these players.... Lawd have mercy

I can count on zero hands the number of people that have said that.

Please point out just one of these idiots so that we can throw rocks at them.

jeanpierre · 02-13-2014, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by CoreyO

Lance moore, meech will also walk

Meachem walked before, and came back home where he's most successful...

02-13-2014, 11:58 AM	#61
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by ScottF I thought there was a stipulation that did not allow a team to immediately resign their own players because the teams could use it to renegotiate contracts. Must be thinking of something else. Hopefully Greer is leaving on a good note. With other vet CB's already available, his price will go down dramatically, and maybe he'll come to his senses later. That is not a renegotiation, its a long expensive way of restructuring. Why would a player resign with a team that just cut him? If he is willing to stay at a lower price he just takes a salary cut like Will Smith did. Cut/resign serves no purpose but to cause a dead money issue if there was a bonus. Essentially in Greer's case there is nothing to gain from a cut/resign, and I don't think there is anything to gain from a cut/resign for any players. Now, if you cut a player and for some reason resign him later in the season it is not because you want to lower his cap hit. Once you cut him, he no longer has an NFL contract and the only way you get him back is if none of the other 31 teams sign him to a contract. In Greer's case any sort of cut/resign coats the team 2.65M in dead money for that season. If you resigned him for 1/2 of what he was making before thats 2.6M + the dead money of 2.65m you saved your self a whopping $500k.
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02-13-2014, 12:25 PM	#62
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by teddybarexxx AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH! ! ! ! ! i really hate the cutting of harper and greer. if you didnt see will smith and j vilma being cut you were sleeping under a rock! we need some veteran cb's and safeties on the field that can mold the new guys i.e. p robinson, white, smith, vaccarro etc etc. i hate free agency because it forces the gm to make critical cuts to free up money to sign (the potential) star player, in this case jimmy graham. i love jimmy graham "cracker" as my wife likes to call him because she says he's so sweet on the field but history shows once those guys get the big payoff they dont play up to their potential, whether its a nagging injury or they become uncaring, either way i hope this wont hurt us when its all said and done. Who is sleeping under a rock? Vilma wasn't cut.

02-13-2014, 12:56 PM	#63
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by Danno Its a good start but we still have to sign Graham, Strief, DLP, Bush, a Kicker, Meachem or Morgan, Haralson, Collins, Harris... I expect a few more surprises pretty soon. I expect everyone of those to be resigned. Strief may be the only one out. I imagine he will want 3-5 mil a year.
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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by CoreyO Lol at the amount of people that don't understand football. There are so many people on saints FB saying this was a huge mistake and the defense will be nothing without these players.... Lawd have mercy Hell! Dis ain't d'football, dis be bidness, man! Dat be da **** I don't get! I do have a feeling the folks in charge have a pretty good idea as to what they're doing.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Saints begin cap cutting(Greer,Harper,Smith,Vilma) Originally Posted by CoreyO Lol at the amount of people that don't understand football. There are so many people on saints FB saying this was a huge mistake and the defense will be nothing without these players.... Lawd have mercy I can count on zero hands the number of people that have said that. Please point out just one of these idiots so that we can throw rocks at them.

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