WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?

Utah_Saint · 02-23-2014, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

No, he was 15th in yards, 13 in catches. VERY big difference if you are talking franchise tag numbers

Since his rookie season, he's 8th in receiving yards and number 1 in touchdowns.

papz · 02-22-2014, 10:40 AM

Mike Wallace isn't top 10 at his position and he got paid 60 over 5. The fact of the matter is we need Graham and regardless of what position they view him at, he's going to get paid... and we're going to pay him. Gronk gets paid 53 over 6 years and with inflation and the salary cap increase, Graham getting 60/6 is fair market value. Is he worth it? Obviously it's debatable... but it doesn't matter. We need him and he's an intricate piece to our team. Now that doesn't mean we should hand him an empty check... but if we meet half way between both tags, it should be fair for both sides.

rezburna · 02-22-2014, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Mike Wallace isn't top 10 at his position and he got paid 60 over 5. The fact of the matter is we need Graham and regardless of what position they view him at, he's going to get paid... and we're going to pay him. Gronk gets paid 53 over 6 years and with inflation and the salary cap increase, Graham getting 60/6 is fair market value. Is he worth it? Obviously it's debatable... but it doesn't matter. We need him and he's an intricate piece to our team. Now that doesn't mean we should hand him an empty check... but if we meet half way between both tags, it should be fair for both sides.

When he left the Steelers it was pretty arguable he was. But even still, for the sake of your point, lets say he wasn't. What did the Steelers do? That 4.3 forty is down there taking L's in Miami.

Schmohams · 02-22-2014, 01:33 PM

Graham does not give it his all on the field. Plain and Simple, and when you do that you can't get better and you can't catch passes on the Seahawks or on the Patriots. Jimmy plays to survive, he doesn't sweat blood and tears, he doesn't run as hard as he can all the time. I say sign and trade.

alleycat_126 · 02-22-2014, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Graham does not give it his all on the field. Plain and Simple, and when you do that you can't get better and you can't catch passes on the Seahawks or on the Patriots. Jimmy plays to survive, he doesn't sweat blood and tears, he doesn't run as hard as he can all the time. I say sign and trade.

I am all about being politically correct and not making enemies with people who want the same thing I do, but this is a horse**** take.... There hasn't been one damn Jimmy Graham complaint during his whole rookie deal campaign until now. You can't say he doesn't play with passion, or give it all on every play..... you can't say he doesn't play in pain... You can say he doesn't block well...... HE DOESN'T GET PAID TO BLOCK, HE'S NOT THE BLOCKING TE..... TONY GONZOLEZ MADE A CARRIER OF NOT BLOCKING WELL AND HIS ON HIS WAY TO CANTON All you can do is point to 3 games and say he should get paid because of these 3 games... One of the games one of the best corners in the league was on him.... And the two Seattle games they did the same thing to two other TE's in the same class as Jimmy..... Shut up, Suck it up and pay the man....

halloween 65 · 02-22-2014, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Graham does not give it his all on the field. Plain and Simple, and when you do that you can't get better and you can't catch passes on the Seahawks or on the Patriots. Jimmy plays to survive, he doesn't sweat blood and tears, he doesn't run as hard as he can all the time. I say sign and trade.

Agree with you on all but the sign and trade, I would just let him walk, he might do well somewher else but he might not either. We could get another TE + some other posisions for that type of money and that isn't a bad thing in my book. He definitly don't sweae blood and tears and that is what is needed. I also think Brees uses him as a crutch wat to much and it hurts our play. I also think another TE (Shockey type that plays with passion) will make Graham a forgotten man in New Orleans.

Utah_Saint · 02-22-2014, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I also think another TE (Shockey type that plays with passion) will make Graham a forgotten man in New Orleans.

Just so happens the Saints did have a "Shockey type"

In three years with the Saints, Shockey gained 1406 yards and 6 touchdowns.
In the last three years, Graham has gained 3507 yards and 36 touchdowns.

And when it comes to playing with "blood and sweat", in those three years, Shockey played 38 games while Graham played 47 games in the last three seasons.

exile · 02-22-2014, 04:43 PM

I'm so glad Loomis is around. He's sane. Unlike some of these comments.

halloween 65 · 02-23-2014, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Just so happens the Saints did have a "Shockey type"

In three years with the Saints, Shockey gained 1406 yards and 6 touchdowns.
In the last three years, Graham has gained 3507 yards and 36 touchdowns.

And when it comes to playing with "blood and sweat", in those three years, Shockey played 38 games while Graham played 47 games in the last three seasons.

Shockey when he was with us was on the downhill slide in his career, but I'll take a Shockey in his prime before I would ever take Graham.

voodooido · 02-22-2014, 07:29 PM

If he does get 10 mil a year the saints will be screwed for the next 4 years. You can not pay Drew and a TE that much. We can do without JG, we can't make it without Drew.

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02-23-2014, 11:37 AM	#1
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by ScottF No, he was 15th in yards, 13 in catches. VERY big difference if you are talking franchise tag numbers Since his rookie season, he's 8th in receiving yards and number 1 in touchdowns.

02-22-2014, 10:40 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Mike Wallace isn't top 10 at his position and he got paid 60 over 5. The fact of the matter is we need Graham and regardless of what position they view him at, he's going to get paid... and we're going to pay him. Gronk gets paid 53 over 6 years and with inflation and the salary cap increase, Graham getting 60/6 is fair market value. Is he worth it? Obviously it's debatable... but it doesn't matter. We need him and he's an intricate piece to our team. Now that doesn't mean we should hand him an empty check... but if we meet half way between both tags, it should be fair for both sides. Utah_Saint likes this.
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02-22-2014, 04:03 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,089	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by papz Mike Wallace isn't top 10 at his position and he got paid 60 over 5. The fact of the matter is we need Graham and regardless of what position they view him at, he's going to get paid... and we're going to pay him. Gronk gets paid 53 over 6 years and with inflation and the salary cap increase, Graham getting 60/6 is fair market value. Is he worth it? Obviously it's debatable... but it doesn't matter. We need him and he's an intricate piece to our team. Now that doesn't mean we should hand him an empty check... but if we meet half way between both tags, it should be fair for both sides. When he left the Steelers it was pretty arguable he was. But even still, for the sake of your point, lets say he wasn't. What did the Steelers do? That 4.3 forty is down there taking L's in Miami.

02-22-2014, 01:33 PM	#4
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Graham does not give it his all on the field. Plain and Simple, and when you do that you can't get better and you can't catch passes on the Seahawks or on the Patriots. Jimmy plays to survive, he doesn't sweat blood and tears, he doesn't run as hard as he can all the time. I say sign and trade. halloween 65 likes this.

02-22-2014, 02:41 PM	#5
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by Schmohams Graham does not give it his all on the field. Plain and Simple, and when you do that you can't get better and you can't catch passes on the Seahawks or on the Patriots. Jimmy plays to survive, he doesn't sweat blood and tears, he doesn't run as hard as he can all the time. I say sign and trade. I am all about being politically correct and not making enemies with people who want the same thing I do, but this is a horse** take.... There hasn't been one damn Jimmy Graham complaint during his whole rookie deal campaign until now. You can't say he doesn't play with passion, or give it all on every play..... you can't say he doesn't play in pain... You can say he doesn't block well...... HE DOESN'T GET PAID TO BLOCK, HE'S NOT THE BLOCKING TE..... TONY GONZOLEZ MADE A CARRIER OF NOT BLOCKING WELL AND HIS ON HIS WAY TO CANTON** All you can do is point to 3 games and say he should get paid because of these 3 games... One of the games one of the best corners in the league was on him.... And the two Seattle games they did the same thing to two other TE's in the same class as Jimmy..... Shut up, Suck it up and pay the man.... ScottF likes this.
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02-22-2014, 03:23 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by Schmohams Graham does not give it his all on the field. Plain and Simple, and when you do that you can't get better and you can't catch passes on the Seahawks or on the Patriots. Jimmy plays to survive, he doesn't sweat blood and tears, he doesn't run as hard as he can all the time. I say sign and trade. Agree with you on all but the sign and trade, I would just let him walk, he might do well somewher else but he might not either. We could get another TE + some other posisions for that type of money and that isn't a bad thing in my book. He definitly don't sweae blood and tears and that is what is needed. I also think Brees uses him as a crutch wat to much and it hurts our play. I also think another TE (Shockey type that plays with passion) will make Graham a forgotten man in New Orleans.

02-22-2014, 04:15 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I also think another TE (Shockey type that plays with passion) will make Graham a forgotten man in New Orleans. Just so happens the Saints did have a "Shockey type" In three years with the Saints, Shockey gained 1406 yards and 6 touchdowns. In the last three years, Graham has gained 3507 yards and 36 touchdowns. And when it comes to playing with "blood and sweat", in those three years, Shockey played 38 games while Graham played 47 games in the last three seasons.

02-22-2014, 04:43 PM	#8
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02-23-2014, 04:10 AM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Just so happens the Saints did have a "Shockey type" In three years with the Saints, Shockey gained 1406 yards and 6 touchdowns. In the last three years, Graham has gained 3507 yards and 36 touchdowns. And when it comes to playing with "blood and sweat", in those three years, Shockey played 38 games while Graham played 47 games in the last three seasons. Shockey when he was with us was on the downhill slide in his career, but I'll take a Shockey in his prime before I would ever take Graham.

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