WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin?

rezburna · 02-22-2014, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Mike Wallace isn't top 10 at his position and he got paid 60 over 5. The fact of the matter is we need Graham and regardless of what position they view him at, he's going to get paid... and we're going to pay him. Gronk gets paid 53 over 6 years and with inflation and the salary cap increase, Graham getting 60/6 is fair market value. Is he worth it? Obviously it's debatable... but it doesn't matter. We need him and he's an intricate piece to our team. Now that doesn't mean we should hand him an empty check... but if we meet half way between both tags, it should be fair for both sides.

When he left the Steelers it was pretty arguable he was. But even still, for the sake of your point, lets say he wasn't. What did the Steelers do? That 4.3 forty is down there taking L's in Miami.

Utah_Saint · 02-22-2014, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I also think another TE (Shockey type that plays with passion) will make Graham a forgotten man in New Orleans.

Just so happens the Saints did have a "Shockey type"

In three years with the Saints, Shockey gained 1406 yards and 6 touchdowns.
In the last three years, Graham has gained 3507 yards and 36 touchdowns.

And when it comes to playing with "blood and sweat", in those three years, Shockey played 38 games while Graham played 47 games in the last three seasons.

exile · 02-22-2014, 05:43 PM

I'm so glad Loomis is around. He's sane. Unlike some of these comments.

voodooido · 02-22-2014, 08:29 PM

If he does get 10 mil a year the saints will be screwed for the next 4 years. You can not pay Drew and a TE that much. We can do without JG, we can't make it without Drew.

blackangold · 02-22-2014, 08:38 PM

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

Saintaintso · 02-22-2014, 10:00 PM

Trade him for the 8th and pick Khalil or Clowney if available ...

rezburna · 02-22-2014, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

Bingo.

ScottF · 02-22-2014, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

His numbers clearly put him up there with any top ten reciever

No, he was 15th in yards, 13 in catches. VERY big difference if you are talking franchise tag numbers

ChrisXVI · 02-22-2014, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team.

Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him.

Fantastic post... Spot on. If we pay him $10 million/year or more then I will be very disappointed in Loomis.

rezburna · 02-22-2014, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

No, he was 15th in yards, 13 in catches. VERY big difference if you are talking franchise tag numbers

Those numbers appear to be out of the top 10. Interesting! I saw this guy, his name was Rez Burna, and he said Jimmy Graham wouldn't be top 10 at receiver.... intriguing.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by papz Mike Wallace isn't top 10 at his position and he got paid 60 over 5. The fact of the matter is we need Graham and regardless of what position they view him at, he's going to get paid... and we're going to pay him. Gronk gets paid 53 over 6 years and with inflation and the salary cap increase, Graham getting 60/6 is fair market value. Is he worth it? Obviously it's debatable... but it doesn't matter. We need him and he's an intricate piece to our team. Now that doesn't mean we should hand him an empty check... but if we meet half way between both tags, it should be fair for both sides. When he left the Steelers it was pretty arguable he was. But even still, for the sake of your point, lets say he wasn't. What did the Steelers do? That 4.3 forty is down there taking L's in Miami.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I also think another TE (Shockey type that plays with passion) will make Graham a forgotten man in New Orleans. Just so happens the Saints did have a "Shockey type" In three years with the Saints, Shockey gained 1406 yards and 6 touchdowns. In the last three years, Graham has gained 3507 yards and 36 touchdowns. And when it comes to playing with "blood and sweat", in those three years, Shockey played 38 games while Graham played 47 games in the last three seasons.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. ChrisXVI, rezburna, amazin15 and 1 others like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. Bingo.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by Rell&Gold His numbers clearly put him up there with any top ten reciever No, he was 15th in yards, 13 in catches. VERY big difference if you are talking franchise tag numbers rezburna likes this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by blackangold I don't get the fans with an argument of needing Graham. Is he a great football player? Yes, but ill argue we don't "need" Graham at all. Occasionally I actually think Graham being over targeted by Brees hurts our team. Remember fellow Saints fans we have had the top offense many years before Jimmy came along. I guarantee you if Jimmy left we would still have a top 4 offense. So is Jimmy worth the money? Yes, but not to this team; we don't 'need' him. Fantastic post... Spot on. If we pay him $10 million/year or more then I will be very disappointed in Loomis.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: WHAT IF? Jimmy Graham gets WR Designatin? Originally Posted by ScottF No, he was 15th in yards, 13 in catches. VERY big difference if you are talking franchise tag numbers Those numbers appear to be out of the top 10. Interesting! I saw this guy, his name was Rez Burna, and he said Jimmy Graham wouldn't be top 10 at receiver.... intriguing.

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