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Then you should probably refer to JG as WR from now on. I hope Jimmy Graham gets WR pay and what you think he is worth somewhere else. His name will be removed from all Tight End records, including the Saints record books. You no longer have the best TE in the game, you have got your self a bonafied top 20 WR. But it doesn't work that way, if it did Luke McCown would have H by his name. "Lining up" means nothing. |
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BTW I have some idiotic theory that Jimmy Grahams inability to block has a great deal to do with our predictability and our run game.
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Comparing player vs player with stats is useless. If Dez was in Payton's offense and had Drew throwing to him... you get my point? Systemic players aren't worth huge contracts. |
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I am a fan of JG, but not at 10, much less 12. And you all know what I think about giving any player more than 8% of total cap space.
If you look at recent SB winning teams, their cap is not skewed toward 2-3 players. We got off the rails by giving good players #1 HOF contracts. Stop. I'd rather get back on track than keep getting blackmailed. Never fall in love with real estate. |
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But... He's a mis-match nightmare because he's 6 foot 6 inches tall, 265 pounds and runs a 4.5 forty. Not because of his position designation. It doesn't matter what you call him. If the other team could stop him they would. They're not standing on their sidelines saying "If only Jimmy Graham were a receiver, we could put our best defender on him". |
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Article 10, Section 9 says the position a player is tagged at is determined by"...the position above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior league year." So it sounds like "Lining up" means just about everything. |
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Gronk's numbers over the last three seasons are 2709 yards and 32 touchdowns. |
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Nope, that is exactly what a modern-day tight end looks like. Cue "The Autumn Wind", and James Earl Jones goes on to explain the evolution of the game and it's players. Then I go on to explain that I am the arbitrator and that this has nothing to do with what Jimmy Graham is but what the Modern-Day definition of a Tight End is. I will also go on about precedent and that JG set that when he allowed himself to be Drafted, Put in record books, play, draw a pay check, and go to a pro-bowl as a Tight End. In today's NFL many positions are dual roll and Jimmy is no more a wide receiver than Darren Sproles is, even though both spent more time receiving. Did you pull that reference out of thin air? It's Article 10, Section 2(a)(i) and it doesn't say "lined up", it says "at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year.” Things change between line-up and snap. |
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It would be interesting to see other TE stats of lining up over the past two years.
Vernon Davis, Gronk,Hernandez, Gonzalez, Jordan Cameron, Thomas at Denver all played a major part in receiving. |
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Let's see if I can grab some. Give me a minute |
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Notice Slot Tatgets vs TE Targets for Graham, also notice at least 1/3 of the TEs line up with greater than 50% in the slot. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/02/uva8a9ed.jpg |
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And no, I didn't pull it out of thin air. It's in the NFL CBA. You can read it here. Kinda dry though. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf Article 10 section 9 is on page 49. The section I quoted is right about the middle of the page. "...above at which he participated in the most plays during the prior League Year" Article 10 section 2 also says "... at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year, Looks like it says it twice. I don't know man, saying things change between line up and snap seems like a pretty big reach to me. |
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Just shows the evolution of the position.It might explain Loomis confidence in the TE tag.
One third of TE lining up in slot, pro bowl at TE, drafted as a TE. When I see a bird that*walks like a duck*and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck. ”* |
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Is my math incorrect or does he actually not take more snaps at slot than TE? He ran 538 routes only 268 in the slot. 134 targets 67 @ slot. |
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Here's how it is now... Quarterback - $16,912,000 Offensive Linemen (includes Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Center) -$11,654,000 Wide Receiver -$12,312,000 Running Back (includes all Fullbacks and Halfbacks) - $9,540,000 Tight End - $7,035,000 Defensive End - $13,116,000 Defensive Tackle - $9,654,000 Linebacker - $11,455,000 Cornerback - $11,834,000 Safety - $8,433,000 Kicker or Punter $3,556,000 |
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Those are "Exclusive Franchise Tag" numbers. Jimmy's number has not been calculated yet as far as I can find. Non-Exclusive goes back 5 years and is lower than those. It's very important to know that at this time Jimmy has not been hit with a position.... Only a general NEFT. My biggest curiosity is what is the NEFT for WR? If the EFT-WR is 12.3, could the NEFT-WR be near the 9.5m mark? |
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According to ESPN Stats & Information, Graham lined up as a receiver on 67 percent of his snaps in 2013 (45 percent in the slot, 22 percent out wide, 33 percent as an in-line tight end). GM says New Orleans Saints will tag Jimmy Graham if necessary - ESPN I've seen that same line quoted in a couple other stories. And this Profootballtalk article mentions stats from PFF. Saints, Graham almost certainly headed for franchise-tag fight | ProFootballTalk |
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On another note, assuming JG is considered a TE...
what was the effect of Aaron Hernandez's contract being voided? I think he was the 2nd or 3rd highest paid TE- around $8m annual. Wouldn't that lower the TE number? |
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Remember the reasoning for lumping the LT and RT together was that some teams had left handed quarterbacks - Steve Young and Mark Brunell are who come to mind...
And it was the "blindside" protectors of the QB that were targeted for compensation... |
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