New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd

03-12-2014, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Loomis and Byrd

That actually looks like loomis and deuce!!!!

TheOak · 03-12-2014, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

That actually looks like loomis and deuce!!!!

Its Byrd, click the #2 in the picture. Deuce is 6'1", Byrd 5'10". If Loomis stands up he is taller than Byrd
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lee909 · 03-12-2014, 08:10 AM

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Danno · 03-12-2014, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Walter Football's take on the signing...

Saints sign S Jairus Byrd (6 years, $54M; $28M guaranteed): C+ Grade
When it was announced that Jairus Byrd inked a 6-year deal, I wondered what the value of his contract would be. I thought that a pact worth $45 million with $22 million guaranteed would earn the Saints a B+ or maybe a B. I was not expecting $54 and $28 million, respectively.

Byrd is one of the top free agents on the market, but this is too much money for a non-quarterback and non-pass-rusher, especially for a team as strapped for cash as New Orleans. Having said that, Byrd is going from a reeling franchise to a perennial Super Bowl contender, so unlike the free agents who defect for inferior squads, he could be motivated, even in the wake of signing an extremely lucrative contract.

Yeah so we may have over-paid a bit, but so what. I'd say a C+ for value, but an A-plus on talent + need + fit.

And since no one really knows how the contract is structured, how can anyone really know that we overpaid?

And also I just discovered... its Jairus, pronounced Jair-rus, not Jerry-us. I always thought it was Jari-us.

lee909 · 03-12-2014, 08:31 AM

People see $56ml and decided it overpaid.

One of the first things I started to learn about by asking on here was the salary cap. Im surprised how many people growing up with a sport do not understand at least the basics of how it works.

The deal for Byrd could have been 5 years $45ml-8 years at $72ml if the gaureteed money is the same who cares. People see the first number and worry.Look at how Oak put thr contract, it fantastic and only has him needing to play 3-4 season snd make his gauretee and then its restructure/cut time.

TheOak · 03-12-2014, 08:44 AM

Ignore total contract $ focus only on guaranteed.

At the end of the day the deal will be evaluated on his success. If he balls out as a top safety it's a win, if he flops it's a loss even if it was a 5m contact.

K Major · 03-12-2014, 09:22 AM

Honestly folks, I had very little knowledge of how the NFL salary cap worked until I climbed on board to B&G. Lots of intelligent, well informed guys/gals here to educate & enlighten.

As for Byrd, I think the guy balls out of control and Vacarro gets a much needed mentor to develop & polish his cover skills. LOVE the signing.

Danno · 03-12-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ignore total contract $ focus only on guaranteed.

At the end of the day the deal will be evaluated on his success. If he balls out as a top safety it's a win, if he flops it's a loss even if it was a 5m contact.

A re-post...

54 million over 6 years, 28 million guaranteed?

All may not be what it seems. It could be sturctured like...

Year 1..salary 1 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 5.7 million
Year 2..salary 2 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 6.7 million
Year 3..salary 3 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 7.7 million
Year 4..salary 4 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 8.7 million
Year 5..salary 7 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 11.7 million
Year 6..salary 10 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 14.7 million

Care to guess when we ask him to restructure?

I know its likely not structured in that way, but you get the picture. Its more likely a 4 year contract at about 6 to 7 million/year, then restructure or cut in year 5

lee909 · 03-12-2014, 09:27 AM

It's all about the signing bonus and gaureteed money.

papz · 03-12-2014, 09:42 AM

Most large contracts, excluding franchise quarterback ones for the most part, are filled with faux money. You typically keep these players for 3 years and dump them afterwards. Far too often do people get caught up in the magnitude of the overall contract, that they fail to recognize the likelihood of these players actually finishing out it's entirety is pretty minuscule.

We're going to get a damn good 3 years out of Byrd before we ask him to take a pay cut, restructure, or move on from him from there. I look at the deal as a 3 year 28 million dollar contract... which isn't a bad deal considering his market value and the length of time we're actually going to be able to keep a star player through his prime years.

If or when Graham signs his contract, the same principles will apply.

03-12-2014, 07:57 AM	#121
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03-12-2014, 08:08 AM	#122
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by alleycat_126 That actually looks like loomis and deuce!!!! Its Byrd, click the #2 in the picture. Deuce is 6'1", Byrd 5'10". If Loomis stands up he is taller than Byrd Official Site of the New Orleans Saints

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03-12-2014, 08:27 AM	#124
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Walter Football's take on the signing... Saints sign S Jairus Byrd (6 years, $54M; $28M guaranteed): C+ Grade When it was announced that Jairus Byrd inked a 6-year deal, I wondered what the value of his contract would be. I thought that a pact worth $45 million with $22 million guaranteed would earn the Saints a B+ or maybe a B. I was not expecting $54 and $28 million, respectively. Byrd is one of the top free agents on the market, but this is too much money for a non-quarterback and non-pass-rusher, especially for a team as strapped for cash as New Orleans. Having said that, Byrd is going from a reeling franchise to a perennial Super Bowl contender, so unlike the free agents who defect for inferior squads, he could be motivated, even in the wake of signing an extremely lucrative contract. Yeah so we may have over-paid a bit, but so what. I'd say a C+ for value, but an A-plus on talent + need + fit. And since no one really knows how the contract is structured, how can anyone really know that we overpaid? And also I just discovered... its Jairus, pronounced Jair-rus, not Jerry-us. I always thought it was Jari-us. 73Saint and frydaddy like this.

03-12-2014, 08:31 AM	#125
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03-12-2014, 08:44 AM	#126
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd Ignore total contract $ focus only on guaranteed. At the end of the day the deal will be evaluated on his success. If he balls out as a top safety it's a win, if he flops it's a loss even if it was a 5m contact. Danno likes this.

03-12-2014, 09:22 AM	#127
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,853 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd Honestly folks, I had very little knowledge of how the NFL salary cap worked until I climbed on board to B&G. Lots of intelligent, well informed guys/gals here to educate & enlighten. As for Byrd, I think the guy balls out of control and Vacarro gets a much needed mentor to develop & polish his cover skills. LOVE the signing.

03-12-2014, 09:25 AM	#128
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd Originally Posted by TheOak Ignore total contract $ focus only on guaranteed. At the end of the day the deal will be evaluated on his success. If he balls out as a top safety it's a win, if he flops it's a loss even if it was a 5m contact. A re-post... 54 million over 6 years, 28 million guaranteed? All may not be what it seems. It could be sturctured like... Year 1..salary 1 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 5.7 million Year 2..salary 2 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 6.7 million Year 3..salary 3 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 7.7 million Year 4..salary 4 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 8.7 million Year 5..salary 7 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 11.7 million Year 6..salary 10 million + guaranteed 4.7 = 14.7 million Care to guess when we ask him to restructure? I know its likely not structured in that way, but you get the picture. Its more likely a 4 year contract at about 6 to 7 million/year, then restructure or cut in year 5 K Major likes this.

03-12-2014, 09:27 AM	#129
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd It's all about the signing bonus and gaureteed money.

03-12-2014, 09:42 AM	#130
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	Re: New Orleans Saints agree to terms with safety Jairus Byrd Most large contracts, excluding franchise quarterback ones for the most part, are filled with faux money. You typically keep these players for 3 years and dump them afterwards. Far too often do people get caught up in the magnitude of the overall contract, that they fail to recognize the likelihood of these players actually finishing out it's entirety is pretty minuscule. We're going to get a damn good 3 years out of Byrd before we ask him to take a pay cut, restructure, or move on from him from there. I look at the deal as a 3 year 28 million dollar contract... which isn't a bad deal considering his market value and the length of time we're actually going to be able to keep a star player through his prime years. If or when Graham signs his contract, the same principles will apply. K Major likes this.
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