Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson

rezburna · 03-24-2014, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I know, you've made it pretty clear and I respect your opinion. I disagree with just about every word you typed, but I do respect your opinion.

I could throw a bunch of stats at you to show you that Graham has out produced Desean Jackson.

I could list all the tight ends and their numbers, that have played for Sean with Drew to show you that Graham isn't just another TE in the Payton/Brees system.

I could bring up lots of news reports of how Desean sat out of team meetings because he didn't want to go over the middle.

I could talk about how Desean announced to the press that he wanted a new contract less then two years after signing a 5 year deal that made him the 7th highest paid Wide out in the league.

I could show that Desean disappeared in more games than Graham this last season.

But I don't think you'd care about any of that.

So while I respect your opinion, I'd take Graham.

Desean never had Drew Brees or Sean Payton either. Moss didn't want to go over the middle, and never had to. Another guy I'd take over Graham. And I I hate to say all this because I don't not like Jimmy Graham. I don't want to get rid of Jimmy Graham per say. But I don't want to bet our future on a TE. Yeah, he's special. The other TE's we had couldn't touch him. But he's just targeted way too much, and with his skill set I feel like he should have 20+ td's and 2,000 yards receiving. Nobody should be able to stop a fade in the end zone on him. Nobody should be able to break up a slant from behind on him. He should win almost every jump ball. So until I see all that in a dominant fashion night in and night out, I want the speed demon who could return punts and break the game open at any time.

But I see where you're coming from. High character guy. Seems to get better every year and has a desire to do so. Loves Brees. Loves the city. What's not to like? Desean is the opposite. Arrogant. Obviously still highly influenced by the street culture he and a lot of guys in the NFL came from. More about money then anything ele. Has favorites (Vick over Foles.) Your every day, diva receiver. We don't have those in New Orleans.

Utah_Saint · 03-24-2014, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Desean never had Drew Brees or Sean Payton either. Moss didn't want to go over the middle, and never had to. Another guy I'd take over Graham. And I I hate to say all this because I don't not like Jimmy Graham. I don't want to get rid of Jimmy Graham per say. But I don't want to bet our future on a TE. Yeah, he's special. The other TE's we had couldn't touch him. But he's just targeted way too much, and with his skill set I feel like he should have 20+ td's and 2,000 yards receiving. Nobody should be able to stop a fade in the end zone on him. Nobody should be able to break up a slant from behind on him. He should win almost every jump ball. So until I see all that in a dominant fashion night in and night out, I want the speed demon who could return punts and break the game open at any time.

I agree with that.

I've been on here arguing about how good Graham is for the past month because I think he's a top ten receiver in the league, but I've never argued that The Saints should pay over 10 million dollars a year for one receiver.

Just my opinion, but I think what makes the Saints offense so difficult to defend is the many ways they've been able to attack the defense. Cover the middle and the backs will beat you in the flats, cover the flats and the burners will beat you deep, cover deep and the slots will beat you on slants and outs... rinse and repeat. I don't know if it makes sense to put that much of the teams cap into one receiver.

jnormand · 03-24-2014, 02:24 AM

He's talented yes. But the Eagles can't stand his locker room issues. Why would we want him to cancer ours? He'll go to the Jets and be perfect there. The media. The attention. The dumbass coach who'll put up with him.

I'll pass.

And yes I know he's talented and fast and can be a game changer.

I also see what a pain in the ass he is. I'd rather not have an arrogant, "me first" player on our team.

Rsanders24 · 03-24-2014, 12:08 PM

Jackson has also benefited greatly from a lot of one on one matchups due to Shady drawing more people into closer to the box.

Yes...he has a ton of speed but he is not going to sit down on zone coverage and open up in the middle of the field....he wouldn't last with Drew sending him in the middle

And let me say this about Graham....I definitely don't think he is worth 10m/yr but I'd rather pay him then have Jackson at that rate...

Hell...I cant believe I'm saying this but I'd rather have have T.O. then Jackson...T.O. was a bigger pain in the @$$ but he never quit cause he didn't like the routes...

Euphoria · 03-24-2014, 01:09 PM

Well why yall get caught up in 'who is better Graham or Jackson debate'.

My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!!

TheOak · 03-24-2014, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!!

Notably his 10m/year pay check and our 3.2m Cap Space.

Jack Vegas · 03-24-2014, 02:55 PM

Why would we want him. This guy is a malcontent who couldn't even manage to be happy in a career season when his team just went from the cellar to the playoffs and he was making over 10 million a year.

Rsanders24 · 03-24-2014, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Well why yall get caught up in 'who is better Graham or Jackson debate'.

My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!!

While it would create miss match issues I don't see how he fits into our offense at the cost of 10M/yr for just a deep threat. Teams aren't going to stack the box on us giving him single coverage...now if we were talking about a Calvin Johnson type of player in our offense then sure!!

hagan714 · 03-24-2014, 03:13 PM

man o man what an addition he would be. i bet the saints locker room could straighten out his head. now money involved is a whole different topic. that is the bubble buster but hey mickey may have one more wabbit in his hat. did anyone really think we could have landed Byrd? honestly

rezburna · 03-24-2014, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

man o man what an addition he would be. i bet the saints locker room could straighten out his head. now money involved is a whole different topic. that is the bubble buster but hey mickey may have one more wabbit in his hat. did anyone really think we could have landed Byrd? honestly

Yep. People don't have as much faith in our staff and program as they should. Some people show out because the team they're with allows it.

03-24-2014, 01:53 AM	#21
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I know, you've made it pretty clear and I respect your opinion. I disagree with just about every word you typed, but I do respect your opinion. I could throw a bunch of stats at you to show you that Graham has out produced Desean Jackson. I could list all the tight ends and their numbers, that have played for Sean with Drew to show you that Graham isn't just another TE in the Payton/Brees system. I could bring up lots of news reports of how Desean sat out of team meetings because he didn't want to go over the middle. I could talk about how Desean announced to the press that he wanted a new contract less then two years after signing a 5 year deal that made him the 7th highest paid Wide out in the league. I could show that Desean disappeared in more games than Graham this last season. But I don't think you'd care about any of that. So while I respect your opinion, I'd take Graham. Desean never had Drew Brees or Sean Payton either. Moss didn't want to go over the middle, and never had to. Another guy I'd take over Graham. And I I hate to say all this because I don't not like Jimmy Graham. I don't want to get rid of Jimmy Graham per say. But I don't want to bet our future on a TE. Yeah, he's special. The other TE's we had couldn't touch him. But he's just targeted way too much, and with his skill set I feel like he should have 20+ td's and 2,000 yards receiving. Nobody should be able to stop a fade in the end zone on him. Nobody should be able to break up a slant from behind on him. He should win almost every jump ball. So until I see all that in a dominant fashion night in and night out, I want the speed demon who could return punts and break the game open at any time. But I see where you're coming from. High character guy. Seems to get better every year and has a desire to do so. Loves Brees. Loves the city. What's not to like? Desean is the opposite. Arrogant. Obviously still highly influenced by the street culture he and a lot of guys in the NFL came from. More about money then anything ele. Has favorites (Vick over Foles.) Your every day, diva receiver. We don't have those in New Orleans.
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03-24-2014, 02:10 AM	#22
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Originally Posted by rezburna Desean never had Drew Brees or Sean Payton either. Moss didn't want to go over the middle, and never had to. Another guy I'd take over Graham. And I I hate to say all this because I don't not like Jimmy Graham. I don't want to get rid of Jimmy Graham per say. But I don't want to bet our future on a TE. Yeah, he's special. The other TE's we had couldn't touch him. But he's just targeted way too much, and with his skill set I feel like he should have 20+ td's and 2,000 yards receiving. Nobody should be able to stop a fade in the end zone on him. Nobody should be able to break up a slant from behind on him. He should win almost every jump ball. So until I see all that in a dominant fashion night in and night out, I want the speed demon who could return punts and break the game open at any time. I agree with that. I've been on here arguing about how good Graham is for the past month because I think he's a top ten receiver in the league, but I've never argued that The Saints should pay over 10 million dollars a year for one receiver. Just my opinion, but I think what makes the Saints offense so difficult to defend is the many ways they've been able to attack the defense. Cover the middle and the backs will beat you in the flats, cover the flats and the burners will beat you deep, cover deep and the slots will beat you on slants and outs... rinse and repeat. I don't know if it makes sense to put that much of the teams cap into one receiver.

03-24-2014, 02:24 AM	#23
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson He's talented yes. But the Eagles can't stand his locker room issues. Why would we want him to cancer ours? He'll go to the Jets and be perfect there. The media. The attention. The dumbass coach who'll put up with him. I'll pass. And yes I know he's talented and fast and can be a game changer. I also see what a pain in the ass he is. I'd rather not have an arrogant, "me first" player on our team.

03-24-2014, 12:08 PM	#24
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Jackson has also benefited greatly from a lot of one on one matchups due to Shady drawing more people into closer to the box. Yes...he has a ton of speed but he is not going to sit down on zone coverage and open up in the middle of the field....he wouldn't last with Drew sending him in the middle And let me say this about Graham....I definitely don't think he is worth 10m/yr but I'd rather pay him then have Jackson at that rate... Hell...I cant believe I'm saying this but I'd rather have have T.O. then Jackson...T.O. was a bigger pain in the @$$ but he never quit cause he didn't like the routes...

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03-24-2014, 01:11 PM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Originally Posted by Euphoria My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!! Notably his 10m/year pay check and our 3.2m Cap Space. Rsanders24 likes this.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Why would we want him. This guy is a malcontent who couldn't even manage to be happy in a career season when his team just went from the cellar to the playoffs and he was making over 10 million a year.
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03-24-2014, 03:08 PM	#28
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Originally Posted by Euphoria Well why yall get caught up in 'who is better Graham or Jackson debate'. My issue is will it cause miss match issues... YES!!! While it would create miss match issues I don't see how he fits into our offense at the cost of 10M/yr for just a deep threat. Teams aren't going to stack the box on us giving him single coverage...now if we were talking about a Calvin Johnson type of player in our offense then sure!!

03-24-2014, 03:13 PM	#29
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson man o man what an addition he would be. i bet the saints locker room could straighten out his head. now money involved is a whole different topic. that is the bubble buster but hey mickey may have one more wabbit in his hat. did anyone really think we could have landed Byrd? honestly

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Eagles reportedly willing to release DeSean Jackson Originally Posted by hagan714 man o man what an addition he would be. i bet the saints locker room could straighten out his head. now money involved is a whole different topic. that is the bubble buster but hey mickey may have one more wabbit in his hat. did anyone really think we could have landed Byrd? honestly Yep. People don't have as much faith in our staff and program as they should. Some people show out because the team they're with allows it.

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