Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense

halloween 65 · 04-01-2014, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

OC - #1 we aint got one

after that add whatever the BPA is in the draft

Yep, Center should be a very high priority. Brees need to step up to throw and the backs need a beast leading the way.

Boutte · 04-01-2014, 05:22 PM

Jim Finks used to say "When in doubt take the big man." That seemed to serve him pretty well. The game really is won or lost in the trenches. I'm not saying to draft a center in the first round but it should be very high on the list of priorities.

We've got some guys that have been around for a couple of years so there must be a reason we've kept them around. Lelito was up and down so it's hard for somebody like me to try evaluate his potential. If he really is starter material that's great. One less position to fill.

Quality depth at OL is under rated. Even if the starters are all in place we need a guy who can fill in at center/guard with out a huge drop off.

Danno · 04-01-2014, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

And 9 more undrafted.

Look at the depth. What's behind Colston? He misses a few games a year or plays hurt... What's after Stills?

4 WR set?

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston
Stills
Morgan
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
-------------
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

rezburna · 04-01-2014, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston
Stills
Morgan
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
-------------
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

We'll probably add Sidney Rice into the fold and draft a receiver or two.

Utah_Saint · 04-01-2014, 06:14 PM

If DLP ends up somewhere else, and Lelito is the plan to replace him, we'll need a back up guard to take Lelito's spot and it might not be a bad idea to get another backup G/C on top of that.

TheOak · 04-01-2014, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston

Stills

Morgan

Draft pick#1

Draft pick #2

-------------

Toon

Tanner

Givens

Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

I'm not up to speed on Givens or Hawkins.

The rest:
Colston - Ave 10.6 starts a season last 3 ... Health

Morgan - Ave 1.6 starts a season last 3

Stills - g2g

Toon - Needs work on hands.

Tanner - love the heart.... Sort of ends there.

We are contenders once again and we need reliable depth. Not superstars, my concerns with both Colston and Morgan are health, they are both outstanding players...... But consistent players on the field running routes.

I'm keeping in mind how dependent our offense is on timing. Drew doesn't throw to the receiver, he throws to the x and the receiver is expected to be there. Polar opposite of Manziel.

hagan714 · 04-02-2014, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

If DLP ends up somewhere else, and Lelito is the plan to replace him,

Right there is the thought that scares me the most. last thing we need is any push up the middle on Drew. the sack totals will be twice what they were last year. Lito did not come close to looking good OC last year. he seemed so so as a back to OG. he is a work in progress and no were near ready to step into the starting position. heck i had him as a player that needed to be replaced/upgraded.

If Lito is the starter my first words to Drew would be get more insurance because dam your odds of making it through the season just went down the toilet.

To big of a risk. As Drew goes so do the saints.

Yet I fear the saints will play it cute yet again on the OL and actual try to pull this Lito at center thing off.

hagan714 · 04-02-2014, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Colston
Stills
Morgan
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
-------------
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

Colston
Stills
-------------
Draft pick#1
Draft pick #2
Morgan
Toon
Tanner
Givens
Hawkins

TheOak · 04-02-2014, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3?

Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA.

I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily.

On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet
Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed.

Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying

Danno · 04-02-2014, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA.

I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily.

On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet
Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed.

Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying

Agreed, I think this will be a draft with all but 1 or maybe 2 players on defense. I can see 2 WR's, RB, OC and an OT with maybe a CB or LB thrown in there. Maybe even a TE too.

I think our defense worshippers will be very very disappointed.

04-01-2014, 04:37 PM	#11
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by hagan714 OC - #1 we aint got one after that add whatever the BPA is in the draft Yep, Center should be a very high priority. Brees need to step up to throw and the backs need a beast leading the way. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-01-2014, 05:22 PM	#12
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Jim Finks used to say "When in doubt take the big man." That seemed to serve him pretty well. The game really is won or lost in the trenches. I'm not saying to draft a center in the first round but it should be very high on the list of priorities. We've got some guys that have been around for a couple of years so there must be a reason we've kept them around. Lelito was up and down so it's hard for somebody like me to try evaluate his potential. If he really is starter material that's great. One less position to fill. Quality depth at OL is under rated. Even if the starters are all in place we need a guy who can fill in at center/guard with out a huge drop off. hagan714 likes this.

04-01-2014, 05:27 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by TheOak And 9 more undrafted. Look at the depth. What's behind Colston? He misses a few games a year or plays hurt... What's after Stills? 4 WR set? If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere.

04-01-2014, 05:35 PM	#14
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere. We'll probably add Sidney Rice into the fold and draft a receiver or two.

04-01-2014, 06:14 PM	#15
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense If DLP ends up somewhere else, and Lelito is the plan to replace him, we'll need a back up guard to take Lelito's spot and it might not be a bad idea to get another backup G/C on top of that.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere. I'm not up to speed on Givens or Hawkins. The rest: Colston - Ave 10.6 starts a season last 3 ... Health Morgan - Ave 1.6 starts a season last 3 Stills - g2g Toon - Needs work on hands. Tanner - love the heart.... Sort of ends there. We are contenders once again and we need reliable depth. Not superstars, my concerns with both Colston and Morgan are health, they are both outstanding players...... But consistent players on the field running routes. I'm keeping in mind how dependent our offense is on timing. Drew doesn't throw to the receiver, he throws to the x and the receiver is expected to be there. Polar opposite of Manziel. Danno likes this.
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04-02-2014, 05:07 AM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Utah_Saint If DLP ends up somewhere else, and Lelito is the plan to replace him, Right there is the thought that scares me the most. last thing we need is any push up the middle on Drew. the sack totals will be twice what they were last year. Lito did not come close to looking good OC last year. he seemed so so as a back to OG. he is a work in progress and no were near ready to step into the starting position. heck i had him as a player that needed to be replaced/upgraded. If Lito is the starter my first words to Drew would be get more insurance because dam your odds of making it through the season just went down the toilet. To big of a risk. As Drew goes so do the saints. Yet I fear the saints will play it cute yet again on the OL and actual try to pull this Lito at center thing off. Sarik likes this.
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04-02-2014, 05:11 AM	#18
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Colston Stills Morgan Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 ------------- Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Hmmm, I can see another WR in there somewhere. Colston Stills ------------- Draft pick#1 Draft pick #2 Morgan Toon Tanner Givens Hawkins Sarik likes this.

04-02-2014, 09:22 AM	#19
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by Danno If you include UDFA's and maybe another veteran, then yes I can see 4 or 5 new WR's brought into camp, but I can't see drafting 3 of them. I'll buy two, but 3? Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA. I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily. On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed. Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying Sarik likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

04-02-2014, 09:46 AM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Analyzing Saints depth chart: Offense Originally Posted by TheOak Just resigned Haralson so the FO is addressing certain wants/depth needs through FA. I see the process and it seems to me like we are checking boxes in Free Agency every where but the WR area... My interpretation is that we are going to draft offensive weapons heavily. On a 3 year outlook business model: Addressing an aging fleet Colston will be gone, and we have no other WR veterans of over 4 years. We draft 3 WR, bring in 4-6 more undrafted in the hopes of fielding at the very least 2-3 starting WRs. This marks the transition from Brees to a rookie QB that will need a hand full of veteran WRs to cut his teeth on until he is up to speed. Look at the upside of what can be read between the lines. Payton knows Brees is on his last contract and is setting him self up for the post Drew Brees era.. Sort of tells me he plans on staying Agreed, I think this will be a draft with all but 1 or maybe 2 players on defense. I can see 2 WR's, RB, OC and an OT with maybe a CB or LB thrown in there. Maybe even a TE too. I think our defense worshippers will be very very disappointed.

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