Bears sign Brian De La Puente

jeanpierre · 04-06-2014, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I believe the old saying "actions speak louder than words" applies to DLP quite well.

It's also proof that PFF grades can be misleading.

You should post that on the comment section of PFF Offensive Line Grades and then ask them if they do a quality control review of their methods and formulae for grading...

Strief was re-signed for this single biggest reason - TRUST...

That includes Brees' trust in him, Payton's trust in him...

Look at nearly every offensive lineman that has played for the Saints under the Payton era...

Most, not all, have had to show a body of work with the Saints or at the pro level that they could be trusted once the battle was engaged...

Watch the Carolina and Seahawk games where Strief is horrible in the screen game, but he's trusted to protect Drew...

Posted this before - you haven't heard one bit of concern out of Coach Payton about Lelito taking over at Center as you did re: Left Tackle Charles Brown last season...

And with such an apparent glaring need, the Saints have gone out and added new signees that are...defensive backs?!?

Yes there's a fullback in there, but Strief being the only hole on the line re-signed...

Unless it's a ruse, I'm starting to realize the Saints Personnel Staff have decided to trust Tim Lelito to be the Saints new starting centre...

And maybe we should as well...

rezburna · 04-06-2014, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I believe the old saying "actions speak louder than words" applies to DLP quite well.

It's also proof that PFF grades can be misleading.

Now that the father of the boards has said it maybe people will believe it.

hagan714 · 04-06-2014, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Unless it's a ruse, I'm starting to realize the Saints Personnel Staff have decided to trust Tim Lelito to be the Saints new starting centre...

And maybe we should as well...

sorry if the saints start Lito it will just another of a long of cute stupid moves on the OL all over again.

i fear they have not learned their lesson. please show me i am wrong for Drew's sake.

Goodwin is still out there and he still rates as serviceable

NewDeal · 04-06-2014, 11:27 PM

Good luck to DLP. We should be able to find a good C in the 3rd round if SP doesn't feel like Lelito can handle the job.

burningmetal · 04-07-2014, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You should post that on the comment section of PFF Offensive Line Grades and then ask them if they do a quality control review of their methods and formulae for grading...

Strief was re-signed for this single biggest reason - TRUST...

That includes Brees' trust in him, Payton's trust in him...

Look at nearly every offensive lineman that has played for the Saints under the Payton era...

Most, not all, have had to show a body of work with the Saints or at the pro level that they could be trusted once the battle was engaged...

Watch the Carolina and Seahawk games where Strief is horrible in the screen game, but he's trusted to protect Drew...

Posted this before - you haven't heard one bit of concern out of Coach Payton about Lelito taking over at Center as you did re: Left Tackle Charles Brown last season...

And with such an apparent glaring need, the Saints have gone out and added new signees that are...defensive backs?!?

Yes there's a fullback in there, but Strief being the only hole on the line re-signed...

Unless it's a ruse, I'm starting to realize the Saints Personnel Staff have decided to trust Tim Lelito to be the Saints new starting centre...

And maybe we should as well...

Or, there is this theory. They are looking to fill the hole at center with someone other than Lelito and simply haven't found him yet. Good starters don't grow on trees, and so if they stick with Lelito it may just be a case of him being only slightly better than DLP. It doesn't necessarily mean they trust him long term. I'm not even sure that we can prove how much the Saints trust Strief despite re-signing him. It took a while before they signed him. Again, finding a good or even decent starter at a price the Saints can afford is not easy.

They went after a player in Jairus Byrd who is a proven turnover machine. We haven't had that in a while, but the last time we did it proved greatly instrumental in winning a Super Bowl. With as much money as they paid Byrd, it's not hard to understand that we might have to sacrifice a few other positions. There is no perfect team.

halloween 65 · 04-07-2014, 05:37 AM

I'm thinking Payton all ready knows who he is looking at, at Center, if I were a betting man, which I' m not, he has probably decided with not keeping DLP. Now my personal choice at Center lies in the draft, now wheather me and Payton are on the same page or not remains to be seen but if I was to pick and keep in mind I play with house money would be Marcus Martin-C- USC. Every now and then USC has some pretty good linemen.

TheOak · 04-07-2014, 06:40 AM

There are three possibilities here.

1. To say Lelito can or can't play C is completely unfounded. We do not know either way. One can only surmise that if a serviceable C was allowed to walk at vet minimum the people that should know, do. Payton and Loomis have never been known for letting puzzle pieces walk for minimum.

2. We are going after a C very early, only way to remotely know you're getting a starter.

3. We as fans are overvaluing the C position.

Only 1/3 of an offensive linemen's job is protecting the QB.

Offensive Linemen and Catcher, I've played both and they are the most misunderstood positions in their respective sports.

If you want to understand o-line play watch hips, hands, and feet.

There is a reason PT is very good at the screen. It's called the o-line.

SaintsBro · 04-07-2014, 07:45 AM

Sounds more to me like a tremendous lack of self confidence by Aaron Kromer, more than anything else. Is he really telegraphing that he can't succeed in Chicago, without the same players he had in New Orleans?

TheOak · 04-07-2014, 10:25 AM

This is how PPF graded out DLP.

Overall Score - 4 16th in the NFL - serviceable mid pack
Pass Blocking - 2.7 12th in the NFL with 3 hits, 3 Sacks, 3 Hurries
Screen blocking - 1.5 surprisingly 6th in the NFL
Run Blocking - (-3.7) 23rd in the NFL.. Fairly poor
Penalties - 4 21st in the NFL

Papa Voodoo · 04-07-2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I've been in seemingly hundreds of disagreements with people about just that. So many people just don't get it. If they don't see a guy giving up 3 sacks a game, they assume he must be alright. I do think Grubbs can play better, but he's not horrible and I think a little help would do him some good.

Grubbs had palyers on both sides of him that are no longer on the team.

04-06-2014, 08:49 PM	#21
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Originally Posted by Danno I believe the old saying "actions speak louder than words" applies to DLP quite well. It's also proof that PFF grades can be misleading. You should post that on the comment section of PFF Offensive Line Grades and then ask them if they do a quality control review of their methods and formulae for grading... Strief was re-signed for this single biggest reason - TRUST... That includes Brees' trust in him, Payton's trust in him... Look at nearly every offensive lineman that has played for the Saints under the Payton era... Most, not all, have had to show a body of work with the Saints or at the pro level that they could be trusted once the battle was engaged... Watch the Carolina and Seahawk games where Strief is horrible in the screen game, but he's trusted to protect Drew... Posted this before - you haven't heard one bit of concern out of Coach Payton about Lelito taking over at Center as you did re: Left Tackle Charles Brown last season... And with such an apparent glaring need, the Saints have gone out and added new signees that are...defensive backs?!? Yes there's a fullback in there, but Strief being the only hole on the line re-signed... Unless it's a ruse, I'm starting to realize the Saints Personnel Staff have decided to trust Tim Lelito to be the Saints new starting centre... And maybe we should as well...
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04-06-2014, 10:31 PM	#22
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Originally Posted by Danno I believe the old saying "actions speak louder than words" applies to DLP quite well. It's also proof that PFF grades can be misleading. Now that the father of the boards has said it maybe people will believe it. hagan714 likes this.

04-06-2014, 10:43 PM	#23
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Originally Posted by jeanpierre Unless it's a ruse, I'm starting to realize the Saints Personnel Staff have decided to trust Tim Lelito to be the Saints new starting centre... And maybe we should as well... sorry if the saints start Lito it will just another of a long of cute stupid moves on the OL all over again. i fear they have not learned their lesson. please show me i am wrong for Drew's sake. Goodwin is still out there and he still rates as serviceable

04-06-2014, 11:27 PM	#24
NewDeal Registered Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Good luck to DLP. We should be able to find a good C in the 3rd round if SP doesn't feel like Lelito can handle the job.
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04-07-2014, 04:49 AM	#25
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Originally Posted by jeanpierre You should post that on the comment section of PFF Offensive Line Grades and then ask them if they do a quality control review of their methods and formulae for grading... Strief was re-signed for this single biggest reason - TRUST... That includes Brees' trust in him, Payton's trust in him... Look at nearly every offensive lineman that has played for the Saints under the Payton era... Most, not all, have had to show a body of work with the Saints or at the pro level that they could be trusted once the battle was engaged... Watch the Carolina and Seahawk games where Strief is horrible in the screen game, but he's trusted to protect Drew... Posted this before - you haven't heard one bit of concern out of Coach Payton about Lelito taking over at Center as you did re: Left Tackle Charles Brown last season... And with such an apparent glaring need, the Saints have gone out and added new signees that are...defensive backs?!? Yes there's a fullback in there, but Strief being the only hole on the line re-signed... Unless it's a ruse, I'm starting to realize the Saints Personnel Staff have decided to trust Tim Lelito to be the Saints new starting centre... And maybe we should as well... Or, there is this theory. They are looking to fill the hole at center with someone other than Lelito and simply haven't found him yet. Good starters don't grow on trees, and so if they stick with Lelito it may just be a case of him being only slightly better than DLP. It doesn't necessarily mean they trust him long term. I'm not even sure that we can prove how much the Saints trust Strief despite re-signing him. It took a while before they signed him. Again, finding a good or even decent starter at a price the Saints can afford is not easy. They went after a player in Jairus Byrd who is a proven turnover machine. We haven't had that in a while, but the last time we did it proved greatly instrumental in winning a Super Bowl. With as much money as they paid Byrd, it's not hard to understand that we might have to sacrifice a few other positions. There is no perfect team.
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04-07-2014, 05:37 AM	#26
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente I'm thinking Payton all ready knows who he is looking at, at Center, if I were a betting man, which I' m not, he has probably decided with not keeping DLP. Now my personal choice at Center lies in the draft, now wheather me and Payton are on the same page or not remains to be seen but if I was to pick and keep in mind I play with house money would be Marcus Martin-C- USC. Every now and then USC has some pretty good linemen.

04-07-2014, 06:40 AM	#27
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Bears sign Brian De La Puente There are three possibilities here. 1. To say Lelito can or can't play C is completely unfounded. We do not know either way. One can only surmise that if a serviceable C was allowed to walk at vet minimum the people that should know, do. Payton and Loomis have never been known for letting puzzle pieces walk for minimum. 2. We are going after a C very early, only way to remotely know you're getting a starter. 3. We as fans are overvaluing the C position. Only 1/3 of an offensive linemen's job is protecting the QB. Offensive Linemen and Catcher, I've played both and they are the most misunderstood positions in their respective sports. If you want to understand o-line play watch hips, hands, and feet. There is a reason PT is very good at the screen. It's called the o-line. Crusader likes this.
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04-07-2014, 07:45 AM	#28
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Sounds more to me like a tremendous lack of self confidence by Aaron Kromer, more than anything else. Is he really telegraphing that he can't succeed in Chicago, without the same players he had in New Orleans?

04-07-2014, 10:25 AM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente This is how PPF graded out DLP. Overall Score - 4 16th in the NFL - serviceable mid pack Pass Blocking - 2.7 12th in the NFL with 3 hits, 3 Sacks, 3 Hurries Screen blocking - 1.5 surprisingly 6th in the NFL Run Blocking - (-3.7) 23rd in the NFL.. Fairly poor Penalties - 4 21st in the NFL

04-07-2014, 10:52 AM	#30
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Bears sign Brian De La Puente Originally Posted by burningmetal I've been in seemingly hundreds of disagreements with people about just that. So many people just don't get it. If they don't see a guy giving up 3 sacks a game, they assume he must be alright. I do think Grubbs can play better, but he's not horrible and I think a little help would do him some good. Grubbs had palyers on both sides of him that are no longer on the team.

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