Patrick Robinson
 

A lot of people want us to pick up a CB in the draft and some think that position should be a first round pick. I tend to forget we drafted Prob in the first round 2 years ago. He's shown flashes but then got injured, by all intents and purposes he should have a big up side. CB is a position that can take a couple of years to grow into. Do you guys think that first round corner is already on the team in PRob? Have we as fans kind of forgotten about him or have you seen enough of him to know how he's gonna shake out.
He could very well come out and ball under Ryan?

Even if he does I still think we need a CB in the draft but in a late round.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

He did look much improved in RR's system during the preseason, but unfortunately due to the injury, we're still left guessing if he'll ever live up to his potential.

And that is the main reason, in my opinion, most don't see him as being the starter opposite of Lewis. And in any case, CB is a position where you need quality depth behind the starters.


I wouldn't mind a CB in the 1st if he is at the top of the Saints' board.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

BPA; that's what great teams do...

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

Make or break year for him, if he struggles or gets injured again it will be time to show him the door

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

Robinson has looked pretty bad so far. Whether it's injuries, constant rotation of DC's or he just isn't NFL talent is hard to tell. Bottom line he hasn't lived up to the first round status. Still I think we should look elsewhere in the first round. I think the addition of Byrd will help the corners over the top. I believe Bailey will be much better than he showed last season especially not having to cover the #1 WR and having not one but two big time safeties. The Saints also have White who shows potential. I think CB will be a target somewhere in the draft I just think WR or LB is a more glaring need for the first pick. However if Loomis and Peyton stick to their best player available talk a CB being the first pick is possible.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

He was actually drafted in the first round. 32nd pick. Man, I can't wait until we have a number 32 pick again next year. ;)

Alterraun Verner was picked in the 4th round that year. :disgust:

PRob has shown flashes but he has to stay healthy. I don't know really if he is going to ever be a #1 CB. Maybe #2 but there are still too many questions about his play.

If Gilbert or Dennard drop I say pounce. Either would be a big upgrade over PRob. Not completely sold on Verrett. Kyle Fuller is a great player but will he be better than other positions available? Questions questions.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

I'm a Robinson fan, but if a potential stud CB is there in the 1st three rounds I pull the trigger. If Robinson turns out to become as good as he looked at times, it's a great P-Roblem to have.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

One thing is for sure... The jury is still out on PR.

I say the glass is more than 1/2 filled. He is in perfect position to have a breakout season.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

I'm with you. Give Pat Robinson one last go. Great speed. Decent size. Plays the ball well. Goes up for it when it's in the air. Above average in man to man and press. Florida State puts out good press guys. That's what we have now. Slow the receivers down and throw off timing while Byrd and Vacarro lurk.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Pre injury and Pre Spagnuola (2011)

Robinson looked really good. PFF ranked him 19th out of 199 corners graded. If he's able to get back from this injury in full health, he could be really good again.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Everyone was so high on Verner as a FA but he fits a cover 2 scheme better than Man to man...with that being said...if...and that's a big if...P Rob can stay healthy we will have one one the best secondaries this season...he will show those man cover skills that made him a 1st rd pick coming out of Florida St.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

But Ingram gets a pass going into his 4th year.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I wouldn't want a corner in the first round. I think our defense is good as is. The offense is what Im starting to worry about.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

No, he doesnt

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

The only corner I would take in the first is Gilbert. Other than that, I feel very confident with what we have. If we go D in the first, then I think LB. Our D line is stout and young and we can get depth for that in later rds.
....oh,and even though we have like 4 safties,if Pryor fell in our lap, I wouldn't be upset about that either.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

We should always look to improve on a defense, even if we are in the 'good' category.

As for the offense... as long as we have Sean calling plays & Brees under center, I'm not really all that worried.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

How long is Brees gonna remain under center if he doesn't get some blocking and catching to help him out? Right now I'd say we have a better D than O.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I actually like Prob's craft, he has good speed and at times has great footwork. I do think he'd be best suited as a #2 CB and that's fine considering we have Lewis. But this season is likely his final shot with the Saints, it's make or break time for Prob.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I'm trying to figure out what we'd do with Pryor? I think retaining Bush at 3 mil means he's going to see the field, not to mention we brought in Marcus Ball from the CFL. If the Saints signed Pryor i'd honestly be scratching my head.

Patrick Robinson
 

Patrick Robinson 2012 - 18 passes defended / 3 INTs
Patrick Robinson 2011 - 15 passes defended / 4 INTs

2011 - Robinson 10th best corner as per NFL rating




Keenan Lewis 2012 - 23 passes defended / 0 INTs
Keenan Lewis 2013 - 9 passes defended / 4 INTs

2013 Lewis 12th best corner as per NFL rating

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

stay healthy great. in the tub not so great.

besides you never can have enough good DB

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I see them going cb late. Possibly Chris Davis or Colvin in the 5th. WR, OT, C and LB need to be addressed first. PRob sucks but he will be at best #4 on the depth chart.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Except he was the #2 corner until injured last year... He stays healthy he is better than White. He'll compete with Bailey for the #2 spot...

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Nice breakdown

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

If we get 4 a piece from them coupled with 5 or 6 from Byrd....

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I like Patrick, but as a corner he doesn't use his technique enough. He tends to stay too high in his backpedal and sometimes fails to even attempt to jam the oppossing receiver instead he relies on his speed to compensate. This unfortunately was the knock against him when he came out of College and he doesn't appear to have changed. He will always be that great player who will always have the What If attached to his career like Jeff George. I'd rather we trade him and draft either Fuller, Gaines or Desir. Thats just my opinion though.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

No Ingram has to show and prove this season also, but Patrick had the starting job to himself in his 2nd year, Ingram has never been the 1st option in the running game to be fair.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Ball has not done a thing so i do not count him beyond last Safety on the depth chart.

If the saints went a safety I would think Deone Bucannon would be the pick over Pryor. He's the faster, more productive and has better range than people give him credit for. plus i think he is the best tackling and hardest hitting safety in the draft. draft a player like this the saints can have probably the one of the best S rotation in the NFL . besides Kenny is not exactly a turnover machine. I think they used him last year in a way that best suits his skill set. Kenny is great at getting into players heads and knocking them around in the first five yards. add in another ball hawking safety like Deone would not hurt the group one bit. Bush and Deone together could start if any body goes down with injury. just think of the flexibility that would offer.

the same goes for CB. Verret is the only CB after Dennard that can hang in the first round in man coverage. I am warming up to Fuller but man coverage worse me a bit here.

Verret man on man with all them small fast slot WR all game long would be a great addition. That is his value. He is the best CB in the draft to deal with sub 6'1" speed demons one on one.

After that its all about development (man this draft has it share) and flexibility. Donte Johnson would be next on my list. over 6'2" and runs a sub 4.5 but has played every position in the secondary in college. There are other pure CB sure but not as flexible. kill two birds with one roster spot

Robinson would be safe either way besides when was the last time a CB in the NFL actually started all 16 games? very few. they always get dinged up. hammie here ankle there. plus he is in the final year of his contract so if does get injured again he is prime cutting material. only half of his final year would count as dead money if he does go down to another serious injury.

here is our depth chart

CB1 –- Keenan Lewis, Rod Sweeting, A.J. Davis, Trevin Wade

CB2 –- Champ Bailey, Corey White, Patrick Robinson, Terrence Frederick, Derrius Brooks

SS –- Kenny Vaccaro, Rafael Bush

FS –- Jairus Byrd, Marcus Ball

penciled sure fire depth chart

Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, Corey White, Champ Bailey
Kenny Vaccaro, Jairus Byrd, Rafael Bush

on the bubble

Rod Sweeting, A.J. Davis, Trevin Wade, Terrence Frederick, Derrius Brooks, Marcus Ball, * i want to put Bailey in this group but i wont*

that is six spots up for grabs. i see plenty of room for adding and subtracting.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

and the other 26 defended by PRob were Td's

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Bailey will have to worry about White first.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Im sorry to be negative but P.Rob is a bumb and a waste of a 1st round. Prove me wrong this year dude.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Yeah, I hope he makes you eat those words!

Really hope he does...

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Source?

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I don't think he has one OG.

Patrick Robinson is going to do great thing this year.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

+1.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Yeah... if Bailey doesn't get cut in training camp.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

Bailey still way better then White.

Re: Patrick Robinson
 

I'm pretty certain you are correct, hat is why I asked instead of looking the stats up.

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

3.5 pages of responses and no one called you on 'P-roblem' ?
nice one

Re: Patrick Robenso
 

He didn't earn that starting job. If they thought Ingram could get the job done as a starter he would have gotten more carries. He's had plenty of time and opportunity to show what he has but has been too up and down.
I want Ingram to do good, he has just got to show that he can start a season like he ends it.