Triplett trades up

burningmetal · 05-07-2014, 03:59 AM

I can't imagine any real life scenario where the Saints would trade up for Cooks. I don't even want the guy period. Not because he isn't any good, but because he reminds me of the type of receiver we always seem to find without spending a high draft choice. But trade up for him? I don't think so.

If the Saints are dead set on picking a WR then I think there are more than enough good one's and none of them are clear cut better than the rest (other than MAYBE Watkins) to where there shouldn't be any need to trade up for one.

TwistedTiger · 05-07-2014, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Do we know that Allen Robinson is a Megatron? Paul Richardson? No, in fact defenses I would say has gotten weaker in the Big 10 which is why I am not high at all on Roby. We need to see how those players will do against NFL competition. Pac 12 has produced NFL talent, so has the big 12, and SEC. ACC sort of has.

Did we know megatron was a megaton before he got into the league and showed the world? The answer is no! You Draft on potential not proven NFL production, you must be thinking of free agency. Find one person that says this draft isn't loaded with WR's. Unless you're getting Watkins it makes no sense to trade up for a WR and you would have to give up too much to get high enough to get him. Besides with Breese you don't need one super star WR. Your better off keeping the picks and raising the odds of success finding a high quality WR by drafting more than one.

TwistedTiger · 05-07-2014, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by triman

Mike Evans would be worth trading up for. Brees would make that boy a star.

Most overrated player in the draft.

TheOak · 05-07-2014, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I can't imagine any real life scenario where the Saints would trade up for Cooks. I don't even want the guy period. Not because he isn't any good, but because he reminds me of the type of receiver we always seem to find without spending a high draft choice. But trade up for him? I don't think so.

If the Saints are dead set on picking a WR then I think there are more than enough good one's and none of them are clear cut better than the rest (other than MAYBE Watkins) to where there shouldn't be any need to trade up for one.

The draft is consistently the unexpected... Which is why we have 50,000 mock drafts and none are 100% accurate.

Honestly, who was the last person the Saints drafted that you knew was going to be drafted before they called his name?

There is no logic to apply, its mostly guessing, which is why no one does 1 mock draft and sticks to it.

Rugby Saint II · 05-07-2014, 03:29 PM

History shows us that the FO is more than willing to move up in the draft for a player they covet. They rarely move back in the draft but they have been known to do it.
I would definitely not trade away our 3rd round pick because that is where we seem to hit gold.

WillSaints81 · 05-08-2014, 12:08 AM

I think given the history I expect Loomis to not go after Lee or Roby just because of being burned by players from those two schools in the past. I'm expecting Cooks, Ford, or Verret who will be among the BPAs.

WillSaints81 · 05-08-2014, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

Did we know megatron was a megaton before he got into the league and showed the world? The answer is no! You Draft on potential not proven NFL production, you must be thinking of free agency. Find one person that says this draft isn't loaded with WR's. Unless you're getting Watkins it makes no sense to trade up for a WR and you would have to give up too much to get high enough to get him. Besides with Breese you don't need one super star WR. Your better off keeping the picks and raising the odds of success finding a high quality WR by drafting more than one.

Megatron was drafted second overall(or third) so a lot was expected of him. It took three years for him to come on but that had a lot to do with Roy Williams and the QB position. He was also in the ACC a conference who has players that at the time needed more development. And after what happened last year we DO need a superstar wide receiver. The NFC is no longer defenseless, we have challenges and we have to face those with players that will step up in critical moments. We know Graham cannot! And that PF can be a recurring problem. And we have to stop thinking of what brees did in 08, 09, 11 he is already being disrespected because he didnt make as many big plays as the other three did last year. He couldn't throw the deep ball(due to Brown of course). There was a play last year against Seattle where Meachem catches a huge pass that goes over a defender. If that was a better receiver, that is a touchdown. Stills coudn't make the catch on a deep pass Drew threw against the eagles and that got picked off. We do need a superstar receiver.

burningmetal · 05-08-2014, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The draft is consistently the unexpected... Which is why we have 50,000 mock drafts and none are 100% accurate.

Honestly, who was the last person the Saints drafted that you knew was going to be drafted before they called his name?

There is no logic to apply, its mostly guessing, which is why no one does 1 mock draft and sticks to it.

I disagree with the last part. Anyone can guess. It's no secret that none of us can know exactly what will happen, but there is certainly logic that can be applied. Cooks is just a slot type guy. Those are a dime a dozen in today's NFL. You put small, fast guys in the right system and watch them go. There's no reason to trade up in the first round for one. If we're going to draft a WR in the first, at all, it would make far more sense to go with more of an outside threat.

That's my logic, and I AM sticking to it. All this mock crap gets on my nerves.

CheramieIII · 05-08-2014, 06:35 AM

we will take the best player available. hopefully a de/olb type or CB. we already have plenty of weapons on offense. will need someone to replace colston and a center

TheOak · 05-08-2014, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I disagree with the last part. Anyone can guess. It's no secret that none of us can know exactly what will happen, but there is certainly logic that can be applied. Cooks is just a slot type guy. Those are a dime a dozen in today's NFL. You put small, fast guys in the right system and watch them go. There's no reason to trade up in the first round for one. If we're going to draft a WR in the first, at all, it would make far more sense to go with more of an outside threat.

That's my logic, and I AM sticking to it. All this mock crap gets on my nerves.

When I say there is no logic applied it is because there is no 1 logic. Essentially 26 different logic's will pick before we will and that many is anarchy

. It has also been said that in the case of Mark Ingram, an emotional purchase was made because Sean Payton's kid liked him... So there is no way to map out how any 1 team will draft, much less 32.

The opposite is also true, ever see a group of emo teenagers all in black with makeup etc? They are all striving to be different, however they just end up creating a new same because they are all sharing the same logic.

05-07-2014, 03:59 AM	#31
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Triplett trades up I can't imagine any real life scenario where the Saints would trade up for Cooks. I don't even want the guy period. Not because he isn't any good, but because he reminds me of the type of receiver we always seem to find without spending a high draft choice. But trade up for him? I don't think so. If the Saints are dead set on picking a WR then I think there are more than enough good one's and none of them are clear cut better than the rest (other than MAYBE Watkins) to where there shouldn't be any need to trade up for one. saintsfan1976 likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-07-2014, 07:42 AM	#32
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Triplett trades up Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Do we know that Allen Robinson is a Megatron? Paul Richardson? No, in fact defenses I would say has gotten weaker in the Big 10 which is why I am not high at all on Roby. We need to see how those players will do against NFL competition. Pac 12 has produced NFL talent, so has the big 12, and SEC. ACC sort of has. Did we know megatron was a megaton before he got into the league and showed the world? The answer is no! You Draft on potential not proven NFL production, you must be thinking of free agency. Find one person that says this draft isn't loaded with WR's. Unless you're getting Watkins it makes no sense to trade up for a WR and you would have to give up too much to get high enough to get him. Besides with Breese you don't need one super star WR. Your better off keeping the picks and raising the odds of success finding a high quality WR by drafting more than one.
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05-07-2014, 07:43 AM	#33
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Triplett trades up Originally Posted by triman Mike Evans would be worth trading up for. Brees would make that boy a star. Most overrated player in the draft.
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05-07-2014, 07:51 AM	#34
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Triplett trades up Originally Posted by burningmetal I can't imagine any real life scenario where the Saints would trade up for Cooks. I don't even want the guy period. Not because he isn't any good, but because he reminds me of the type of receiver we always seem to find without spending a high draft choice. But trade up for him? I don't think so. If the Saints are dead set on picking a WR then I think there are more than enough good one's and none of them are clear cut better than the rest (other than MAYBE Watkins) to where there shouldn't be any need to trade up for one. The draft is consistently the unexpected... Which is why we have 50,000 mock drafts and none are 100% accurate. Honestly, who was the last person the Saints drafted that you knew was going to be drafted before they called his name? There is no logic to apply, its mostly guessing, which is why no one does 1 mock draft and sticks to it.

05-07-2014, 03:29 PM	#35
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Triplett trades up History shows us that the FO is more than willing to move up in the draft for a player they covet. They rarely move back in the draft but they have been known to do it. I would definitely not trade away our 3rd round pick because that is where we seem to hit gold.

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05-08-2014, 12:08 AM	#36
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Triplett trades up I think given the history I expect Loomis to not go after Lee or Roby just because of being burned by players from those two schools in the past. I'm expecting Cooks, Ford, or Verret who will be among the BPAs.

05-08-2014, 12:17 AM	#37
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Triplett trades up Originally Posted by TwistedTiger Did we know megatron was a megaton before he got into the league and showed the world? The answer is no! You Draft on potential not proven NFL production, you must be thinking of free agency. Find one person that says this draft isn't loaded with WR's. Unless you're getting Watkins it makes no sense to trade up for a WR and you would have to give up too much to get high enough to get him. Besides with Breese you don't need one super star WR. Your better off keeping the picks and raising the odds of success finding a high quality WR by drafting more than one. Megatron was drafted second overall(or third) so a lot was expected of him. It took three years for him to come on but that had a lot to do with Roy Williams and the QB position. He was also in the ACC a conference who has players that at the time needed more development. And after what happened last year we DO need a superstar wide receiver. The NFC is no longer defenseless, we have challenges and we have to face those with players that will step up in critical moments. We know Graham cannot! And that PF can be a recurring problem. And we have to stop thinking of what brees did in 08, 09, 11 he is already being disrespected because he didnt make as many big plays as the other three did last year. He couldn't throw the deep ball(due to Brown of course). There was a play last year against Seattle where Meachem catches a huge pass that goes over a defender. If that was a better receiver, that is a touchdown. Stills coudn't make the catch on a deep pass Drew threw against the eagles and that got picked off. We do need a superstar receiver.

05-08-2014, 03:04 AM	#38
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Triplett trades up Originally Posted by TheOak The draft is consistently the unexpected... Which is why we have 50,000 mock drafts and none are 100% accurate. Honestly, who was the last person the Saints drafted that you knew was going to be drafted before they called his name? There is no logic to apply, its mostly guessing, which is why no one does 1 mock draft and sticks to it. I disagree with the last part. Anyone can guess. It's no secret that none of us can know exactly what will happen, but there is certainly logic that can be applied. Cooks is just a slot type guy. Those are a dime a dozen in today's NFL. You put small, fast guys in the right system and watch them go. There's no reason to trade up in the first round for one. If we're going to draft a WR in the first, at all, it would make far more sense to go with more of an outside threat. That's my logic, and I AM sticking to it. All this mock crap gets on my nerves.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-08-2014, 06:35 AM	#39
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Triplett trades up we will take the best player available. hopefully a de/olb type or CB. we already have plenty of weapons on offense. will need someone to replace colston and a center

05-08-2014, 07:23 AM	#40
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Triplett trades up Originally Posted by burningmetal I disagree with the last part. Anyone can guess. It's no secret that none of us can know exactly what will happen, but there is certainly logic that can be applied. Cooks is just a slot type guy. Those are a dime a dozen in today's NFL. You put small, fast guys in the right system and watch them go. There's no reason to trade up in the first round for one. If we're going to draft a WR in the first, at all, it would make far more sense to go with more of an outside threat. That's my logic, and I AM sticking to it. All this mock crap gets on my nerves. When I say there is no logic applied it is because there is no 1 logic. Essentially 26 different logic's will pick before we will and that many is anarchy . It has also been said that in the case of Mark Ingram, an emotional purchase was made because Sean Payton's kid liked him... So there is no way to map out how any 1 team will draft, much less 32. The opposite is also true, ever see a group of emo teenagers all in black with makeup etc? They are all striving to be different, however they just end up creating a new same because they are all sharing the same logic.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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