second round - what ya want?

TwistedTiger · 05-09-2014, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by papz

You're assuming if we take a OL in the second he'll be another Charles Brown and will be able to land another Jahri Evans in the 4th. Why did we even take Brandin Cooks at all when we could have landed another Colston in the 7th? Why ever to take a WR in the first 6 rounds then? Why even draft at all since we've had so much success with UDFA's?

I'm sorry but your thought process is pretty damn stupid.

How many quality OL are taken every year in the later rounds of the draft? It's much easier to pick up a good OL late than it is a skill player. That's not a thought process, that's a fact of the draft. How many guards and centers are taken in the first 2 rounds on average each draft? 99% of NFL GM's can't be wrong. Loomis/Payton say BPA, so how do you pass on an impact skill player for a need at OL that you can easily fill two rounds later? Do you even have a thought process?

Euphoria · 05-09-2014, 03:34 PM

One of the most prolific QB/WR tandems

BRADY/WELKER

Brady 6th round
Welker - not even drafted.

Its a freakin' crap shoot. get over yourselves...

exile · 05-09-2014, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

One of the most prolific QB/WR tandems

BRADY/WELKER

Brady 6th round
Welker - not even drafted.

Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin were both drafted early.

lsutigerfan · 05-09-2014, 03:44 PM

Kyle Van Noy, Kyle Van Noy, Kyle Van Noy!!!!!

Jack Vegas · 05-09-2014, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Can somebody explain to me why a cb is wanted so badly. We had a second ranked secondary last year and added a cb and s from canada who both looked good. Not to mention we added Byrd and Bailey. Not trying to start s**t,just wondering what I'm missing here. Some people doubt p-rob but how do we know that a drafted cb is gonna come in and outplay what we have. P-rob was a former first rounder and I feel will excell under Ryan's scheme.

I agree a ton with this. I wanted Verrett because he's a bad, bad man, but other than him, I don't see any great need for a corner. White was fantastic last year, P-Rob has shown signs of being a very good no. 2 and Champ is a future HOFer. And we have the best 3-safety group in the league to cover any weakness at corner.

papz · 05-09-2014, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

How many quality OL are taken every year in the later rounds of the draft?

Plenty. Many fall through the cracks.

It's much easier to pick up a good OL late than it is a skill player.

I don't disagree.

That's not a thought process, that's a fact of the draft.

That is actually a thought process.

How many guards and centers are taken in the first 2 rounds on average each draft? 99% of NFL GM's can't be wrong.

Not many. But the ones that are, have a high impact/success rate. So if there is a guy there that we like and take, his chances of making an impact is pretty high. With that said, I've always been a proponent of taking lineman later as opposed to being early.

Loomis/Payton say BPA, so how do you pass on an impact skill player for a need at OL that you can easily fill two rounds later?

You know what BPA means? Best player available. Not best skill position player available. How do you know that player won't be an offensive lineman? Just because we've hit on plenty of OL in the mid rounds, doesn't mean it will always be the case. BPA... lineman are included in that "thought process".

Do you even have a thought process?

Sure do. My "thought process" is that you made a stupid generalization and assumption that every 2nd round OL we take will end up being Charles Brown and every later round OL we take will be an All Pro. My other "thought process" is that you have no clue what the hell BPA means.

TwistedTiger · 05-09-2014, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Plenty. Many fall through the cracks.

I don't disagree.

That is actually a thought process.

Not many. But the ones that are, have a high impact/success rate. So if there is a guy there that we like and take, his chances of making an impact is pretty high. With that said, I've always been a proponent of taking lineman later as opposed to being early.

You know what BPA means? Best player available. Not best skill position player available. How do you know that player won't be an offensive lineman? Just because we've hit on plenty of OL in the mid rounds, doesn't mean it will always be the case. BPA... lineman are included in that "thought process".

Sure do. My "thought process" is that you made a stupid generalization and assumption that every 2nd round OL we take will end up being Charles Brown and every later round OL we take will be an All Pro. My other "thought process" is that you have no clue what the hell BPA means.

High post count obviously doesn't = high IQ.

exile · 05-09-2014, 04:23 PM

I'm hearing D'Anthony Thomas. No wait, that's just me imagining the most awesome offense ever.

lee909 · 05-09-2014, 04:30 PM

My list for tonights wants
We would get one of these as i have no RBs or QBs as i feel that we do not need a QB at all and can pick up a RB later on as they will be RB3/4 anyway.
I would be as much inclined to get a OG now and bring in Goodwin for a year to compete with Lelito at C than reach too highly for a Centre.It would make sense with a lack of third round pick too. Not quite as keen on Colvin or Thomas now with injury risks unless we bring in Goodwin or trade out of round 2 to get a round 3 and 4/5

WR
Marqise Lee
Dont Morcrief
Cody Latimer
Davante Adams
Allen Robinson
Jarvis Landry
Jordan Matthews

TE
Troy Niklas
Jace Amaro

OG
Xavier Su'a Filo
Gabe Jackson
David Yankey

OT
Joel Bitonio
Cyrus Kouandjio
Antonio Richardson
Morgan Moses

C
Marcus Martin
Weston Richburg
Travis Swanson

DE
Stephen Tuitt
Demarcus Lawrence
Kony Ealy
Scott Crichton

DT/NT
Ra'Shede Hageman
Louis Nix
Timmy Jernigan

OLB/ILB
Jeremiah Attaochu
Kyle Van Noy
Christian Jones
Chris Borland

CB
Keith McGill
Stanley Jean-Baptise
Pierre Desir

Danno · 05-09-2014, 04:34 PM

You don't really want much do you Lee?

05-09-2014, 03:26 PM	#51
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: second round - what ya want? Originally Posted by papz You're assuming if we take a OL in the second he'll be another Charles Brown and will be able to land another Jahri Evans in the 4th. Why did we even take Brandin Cooks at all when we could have landed another Colston in the 7th? Why ever to take a WR in the first 6 rounds then? Why even draft at all since we've had so much success with UDFA's? I'm sorry but your thought process is pretty damn stupid. How many quality OL are taken every year in the later rounds of the draft? It's much easier to pick up a good OL late than it is a skill player. That's not a thought process, that's a fact of the draft. How many guards and centers are taken in the first 2 rounds on average each draft? 99% of NFL GM's can't be wrong. Loomis/Payton say BPA, so how do you pass on an impact skill player for a need at OL that you can easily fill two rounds later? Do you even have a thought process?
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05-09-2014, 03:34 PM	#52
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: second round - what ya want? One of the most prolific QB/WR tandems BRADY/WELKER Brady 6th round Welker - not even drafted. Its a freakin' crap shoot. get over yourselves...

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: second round - what ya want? Originally Posted by Euphoria One of the most prolific QB/WR tandems BRADY/WELKER Brady 6th round Welker - not even drafted. Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin were both drafted early.
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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: second round - what ya want? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Can somebody explain to me why a cb is wanted so badly. We had a second ranked secondary last year and added a cb and s from canada who both looked good. Not to mention we added Byrd and Bailey. Not trying to start s**t,just wondering what I'm missing here. Some people doubt p-rob but how do we know that a drafted cb is gonna come in and outplay what we have. P-rob was a former first rounder and I feel will excell under Ryan's scheme. I agree a ton with this. I wanted Verrett because he's a bad, bad man, but other than him, I don't see any great need for a corner. White was fantastic last year, P-Rob has shown signs of being a very good no. 2 and Champ is a future HOFer. And we have the best 3-safety group in the league to cover any weakness at corner. MarchingOn likes this.
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05-09-2014, 04:16 PM	#56
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: second round - what ya want? Originally Posted by TwistedTiger How many quality OL are taken every year in the later rounds of the draft? Plenty. Many fall through the cracks. It's much easier to pick up a good OL late than it is a skill player. I don't disagree. That's not a thought process, that's a fact of the draft. That is actually a thought process. How many guards and centers are taken in the first 2 rounds on average each draft? 99% of NFL GM's can't be wrong. Not many. But the ones that are, have a high impact/success rate. So if there is a guy there that we like and take, his chances of making an impact is pretty high. With that said, I've always been a proponent of taking lineman later as opposed to being early. Loomis/Payton say BPA, so how do you pass on an impact skill player for a need at OL that you can easily fill two rounds later? You know what BPA means? Best player available. Not best skill position player available. How do you know that player won't be an offensive lineman? Just because we've hit on plenty of OL in the mid rounds, doesn't mean it will always be the case. BPA... lineman are included in that "thought process". Do you even have a thought process? Sure do. My "thought process" is that you made a stupid generalization and assumption that every 2nd round OL we take will end up being Charles Brown and every later round OL we take will be an All Pro. My other "thought process" is that you have no clue what the hell BPA means. Danno and Mr.Riaton like this.
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05-09-2014, 04:21 PM	#57
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: second round - what ya want? Originally Posted by papz Plenty. Many fall through the cracks. I don't disagree. That is actually a thought process. Not many. But the ones that are, have a high impact/success rate. So if there is a guy there that we like and take, his chances of making an impact is pretty high. With that said, I've always been a proponent of taking lineman later as opposed to being early. You know what BPA means? Best player available. Not best skill position player available. How do you know that player won't be an offensive lineman? Just because we've hit on plenty of OL in the mid rounds, doesn't mean it will always be the case. BPA... lineman are included in that "thought process". Sure do. My "thought process" is that you made a stupid generalization and assumption that every 2nd round OL we take will end up being Charles Brown and every later round OL we take will be an All Pro. My other "thought process" is that you have no clue what the hell BPA means. High post count obviously doesn't = high IQ.
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05-09-2014, 04:23 PM	#58
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: second round - what ya want? I'm hearing D'Anthony Thomas. No wait, that's just me imagining the most awesome offense ever. Danno and lsusaint912 like this.
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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: second round - what ya want? My list for tonights wants We would get one of these as i have no RBs or QBs as i feel that we do not need a QB at all and can pick up a RB later on as they will be RB3/4 anyway. I would be as much inclined to get a OG now and bring in Goodwin for a year to compete with Lelito at C than reach too highly for a Centre.It would make sense with a lack of third round pick too. Not quite as keen on Colvin or Thomas now with injury risks unless we bring in Goodwin or trade out of round 2 to get a round 3 and 4/5 WR Marqise Lee Dont Morcrief Cody Latimer Davante Adams Allen Robinson Jarvis Landry Jordan Matthews TE Troy Niklas Jace Amaro OG Xavier Su'a Filo Gabe Jackson David Yankey OT Joel Bitonio Cyrus Kouandjio Antonio Richardson Morgan Moses C Marcus Martin Weston Richburg Travis Swanson DE Stephen Tuitt Demarcus Lawrence Kony Ealy Scott Crichton DT/NT Ra'Shede Hageman Louis Nix Timmy Jernigan OLB/ILB Jeremiah Attaochu Kyle Van Noy Christian Jones Chris Borland CB Keith McGill Stanley Jean-Baptise Pierre Desir
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