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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Seer1 Jean-Baptiste is way over-rated. Without some OL, Drew's not gonna have anyone to pass to as it's way too hard to complete a pass while flat on your back. You can pick up quality OL in ...

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Old 05-09-2014, 11:48 AM   #1
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Re: second round - what ya want?

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Jean-Baptiste is way over-rated. Without some OL, Drew's not gonna have anyone to pass to as it's way too hard to complete a pass while flat on your back.
You can pick up quality OL in the 4th through 6th rounds. No need to waste a 2nd round pick there. CB or LB is the likely pick here and there is still plenty to choose from.
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You can pick up quality OL in the 4th through 6th rounds. No need to waste a 2nd round pick there. CB or LB is the likely pick here and there is still plenty to choose from.
There's quality and then there's quality. If we can pick up an offensive lineman who is pretty much ready to start right away, that's no waste of a second round choice for us. We have a need and that guy would pretty much be the BPA for us.
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There's quality and then there's quality. If we can pick up an offensive lineman who is pretty much ready to start right away, that's no waste of a second round choice for us. We have a need and that guy would pretty much be the BPA for us.
Are you talking quality like second round pick Charles Brown or quality like 4th round pick pro bowler Jahri Evans?
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Are you talking quality like second round pick Charles Brown or quality like 4th round pick pro bowler Jahri Evans?
You're assuming if we take a OL in the second he'll be another Charles Brown and will be able to land another Jahri Evans in the 4th. Why did we even take Brandin Cooks at all when we could have landed another Colston in the 7th? Why ever to take a WR in the first 6 rounds then? Why even draft at all since we've had so much success with UDFA's?

I'm sorry but your thought process is pretty damn stupid.
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You're assuming if we take a OL in the second he'll be another Charles Brown and will be able to land another Jahri Evans in the 4th. Why did we even take Brandin Cooks at all when we could have landed another Colston in the 7th? Why ever to take a WR in the first 6 rounds then? Why even draft at all since we've had so much success with UDFA's?

I'm sorry but your thought process is pretty damn stupid.
My thoughts exactly!
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Old 05-09-2014, 02:26 PM   #6
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You're assuming if we take a OL in the second he'll be another Charles Brown and will be able to land another Jahri Evans in the 4th. Why did we even take Brandin Cooks at all when we could have landed another Colston in the 7th? Why ever to take a WR in the first 6 rounds then? Why even draft at all since we've had so much success with UDFA's?

I'm sorry but your thought process is pretty damn stupid.
How many quality OL are taken every year in the later rounds of the draft? It's much easier to pick up a good OL late than it is a skill player. That's not a thought process, that's a fact of the draft. How many guards and centers are taken in the first 2 rounds on average each draft? 99% of NFL GM's can't be wrong. Loomis/Payton say BPA, so how do you pass on an impact skill player for a need at OL that you can easily fill two rounds later? Do you even have a thought process?
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How many quality OL are taken every year in the later rounds of the draft?
Plenty. Many fall through the cracks.

It's much easier to pick up a good OL late than it is a skill player.
I don't disagree.

That's not a thought process, that's a fact of the draft.
That is actually a thought process.

How many guards and centers are taken in the first 2 rounds on average each draft? 99% of NFL GM's can't be wrong.
Not many. But the ones that are, have a high impact/success rate. So if there is a guy there that we like and take, his chances of making an impact is pretty high. With that said, I've always been a proponent of taking lineman later as opposed to being early.

Loomis/Payton say BPA, so how do you pass on an impact skill player for a need at OL that you can easily fill two rounds later?
You know what BPA means? Best player available. Not best skill position player available. How do you know that player won't be an offensive lineman? Just because we've hit on plenty of OL in the mid rounds, doesn't mean it will always be the case. BPA... lineman are included in that "thought process".

Do you even have a thought process?
Sure do. My "thought process" is that you made a stupid generalization and assumption that every 2nd round OL we take will end up being Charles Brown and every later round OL we take will be an All Pro. My other "thought process" is that you have no clue what the hell BPA means.
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Plenty. Many fall through the cracks.



I don't disagree.



That is actually a thought process.



Not many. But the ones that are, have a high impact/success rate. So if there is a guy there that we like and take, his chances of making an impact is pretty high. With that said, I've always been a proponent of taking lineman later as opposed to being early.



You know what BPA means? Best player available. Not best skill position player available. How do you know that player won't be an offensive lineman? Just because we've hit on plenty of OL in the mid rounds, doesn't mean it will always be the case. BPA... lineman are included in that "thought process".



Sure do. My "thought process" is that you made a stupid generalization and assumption that every 2nd round OL we take will end up being Charles Brown and every later round OL we take will be an All Pro. My other "thought process" is that you have no clue what the hell BPA means.
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