With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste

alleycat_126 · 05-10-2014, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by billyt81

Love his hands and ball skills. Looks like he needs to be more physical and aggressive. If we can develop a good pass rush, adding these DBS with good hands like we have could be brilliant. The negative trend here is Vaccarro, Baptiste(is that right?) and Byrd all 4.6. 40 yd dash times. We could be looking at the slowest secondary in the NFL.

A statement then a question. You are about to get ready to add a healthy Victor Butler and Rufus Johnson to an already potent Dline.... and maybe a LB like Christian Jones....

If you increase the turnovers you created from last season and bolster this #4 defense does it really matter what there 40 times are?

nola_swammi · 05-10-2014, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

If you increase the turnovers you created from last season and bolster this #4 defense does it really matter what there 40 times are?

Yes! That a big if! A guy that run a 4.3 against a guy that run a 4.6 will have a 3 yard separation if the corner don't get a hand on them. Sherman is good for jamming and holding. You can't use that 4.3 speed if you have to carry 200lbs but with our luck the flag will be thrown a lot to set an example(eyebrow raised @ roger Goodell )

darksoul35 · 05-10-2014, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Yes! That a big if! A guy that run a 4.3 against a guy that run a 4.6 will have a 3 yard separation if the corner don't get a hand on them. Sherman is good for jamming and holding. You can't use that 4.3 speed if you have to carry 200lbs but with our luck the flag will be thrown a lot to set an example(eyebrow raised @ roger Goodell )

Im still waiting for someone to at least shank that man. At first I wanted Ole Rodge dead. Now Ill be happy if someone would at least cut him.

alleycat_126 · 05-10-2014, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Yes! That a big if! A guy that run a 4.3 against a guy that run a 4.6 will have a 3 yard separation if the corner don't get a hand on them. Sherman is good for jamming and holding. You can't use that 4.3 speed if you have to carry 200lbs but with our luck the flag will be thrown a lot to set an example(eyebrow raised @ roger Goodell )

What's funny is this is not as big an if as you think..... What separated you from the top three defenses in the league last season is :

A. There players in most instances especially their Linebackers( Luke Kuekly..... Patrick Willis..... Navarro Bowman...... Earl Thomas...... Richard Sherman......Cam Chancellor etc...

B. The turnovers that they create by their pressure.

You hired your ball hawk, who has a career history of almost doubling the turnover production of your former safety Malcolm Jenkins.... You created one of the best safety groups in the league Byrd, Vaccaro, Bush, and Marcus Ball if he pans out.... Your returning a DLine with plenty of qb pressures, at least 28 sacks from 3 guys, not to mention adding Victor Butler to the mix....

Also Rob Ryan had many of the same issues you see in this kid with Nnamdi.... He's coming into a great support system with Ryan as his coordinator and Bailey, and Lewis to teach him the ropes....

hagan714 · 05-10-2014, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

What's funny is this is not as big an if as you think..... What separated you from the top three defenses in the league last season is :

A. There players in most instances especially their Linebackers( Luke Kuekly..... Patrick Willis..... Navarro Bowman...... Earl Thomas...... Richard Sherman......Cam Chancellor etc...

agreed. the thing is to avoids that miss match all cost. It is the stop and go accelerate and the quick cuts that kill taller defenders.

that what makes cook so deadly. question will be what happens when a LB or CB times a fit perfectly? will he get up.

But of all the CB on the board you got one of the biggest upside gambles on the board. for now put him on big lumbering WR and TE. in a year or two who knows

dizzle88 · 05-10-2014, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

agreed. the thing is to avoids that miss match all cost. It is the stop and go accelerate and the quick cuts that kill taller defenders.

that what makes cook so deadly. question will be what happens when a LB or CB times a fit perfectly? will he get up.

But of all the CB on the board you got one of the biggest upside gambles on the board. for now put him on big lumbering WR and TE. in a year or two who knows

Well he's bigger and 4 inches taller than sproles, darren never had a problem of getting up after getting hit by an LB or CB, don't think that needs to be worried about

05-10-2014, 01:23 AM	#1
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste Originally Posted by billyt81 Love his hands and ball skills. Looks like he needs to be more physical and aggressive. If we can develop a good pass rush, adding these DBS with good hands like we have could be brilliant. The negative trend here is Vaccarro, Baptiste(is that right?) and Byrd all 4.6. 40 yd dash times. We could be looking at the slowest secondary in the NFL. A statement then a question. You are about to get ready to add a healthy Victor Butler and Rufus Johnson to an already potent Dline.... and maybe a LB like Christian Jones.... If you increase the turnovers you created from last season and bolster this #4 defense does it really matter what there 40 times are?

05-10-2014, 01:38 AM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste Originally Posted by alleycat_126 If you increase the turnovers you created from last season and bolster this #4 defense does it really matter what there 40 times are? Yes! That a big if! A guy that run a 4.3 against a guy that run a 4.6 will have a 3 yard separation if the corner don't get a hand on them. Sherman is good for jamming and holding. You can't use that 4.3 speed if you have to carry 200lbs but with our luck the flag will be thrown a lot to set an example(eyebrow raised @ roger Goodell )

05-10-2014, 01:50 AM	#3
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste Originally Posted by nola_swammi Yes! That a big if! A guy that run a 4.3 against a guy that run a 4.6 will have a 3 yard separation if the corner don't get a hand on them. Sherman is good for jamming and holding. You can't use that 4.3 speed if you have to carry 200lbs but with our luck the flag will be thrown a lot to set an example(eyebrow raised @ roger Goodell ) Im still waiting for someone to at least shank that man. At first I wanted Ole Rodge dead. Now Ill be happy if someone would at least cut him.
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05-10-2014, 06:52 AM	#4
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste Originally Posted by nola_swammi Yes! That a big if! A guy that run a 4.3 against a guy that run a 4.6 will have a 3 yard separation if the corner don't get a hand on them. Sherman is good for jamming and holding. You can't use that 4.3 speed if you have to carry 200lbs but with our luck the flag will be thrown a lot to set an example(eyebrow raised @ roger Goodell ) What's funny is this is not as big an if as you think..... What separated you from the top three defenses in the league last season is : A. There players in most instances especially their Linebackers( Luke Kuekly..... Patrick Willis..... Navarro Bowman...... Earl Thomas...... Richard Sherman......Cam Chancellor etc... B. The turnovers that they create by their pressure. You hired your ball hawk, who has a career history of almost doubling the turnover production of your former safety Malcolm Jenkins.... You created one of the best safety groups in the league Byrd, Vaccaro, Bush, and Marcus Ball if he pans out.... Your returning a DLine with plenty of qb pressures, at least 28 sacks from 3 guys, not to mention adding Victor Butler to the mix.... Also Rob Ryan had many of the same issues you see in this kid with Nnamdi.... He's coming into a great support system with Ryan as his coordinator and Bailey, and Lewis to teach him the ropes....
	You shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and if have a glass jaw you should watch your mouth..... cause I'll break your face!!! -50 cent

05-10-2014, 06:58 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste Originally Posted by alleycat_126 What's funny is this is not as big an if as you think..... What separated you from the top three defenses in the league last season is : A. There players in most instances especially their Linebackers( Luke Kuekly..... Patrick Willis..... Navarro Bowman...... Earl Thomas...... Richard Sherman......Cam Chancellor etc... agreed. the thing is to avoids that miss match all cost. It is the stop and go accelerate and the quick cuts that kill taller defenders. that what makes cook so deadly. question will be what happens when a LB or CB times a fit perfectly? will he get up. But of all the CB on the board you got one of the biggest upside gambles on the board. for now put him on big lumbering WR and TE. in a year or two who knows

05-10-2014, 07:21 AM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: With the 58th pick in the draft, the Saints select Stanley Jean-Baptiste Originally Posted by hagan714 agreed. the thing is to avoids that miss match all cost. It is the stop and go accelerate and the quick cuts that kill taller defenders. that what makes cook so deadly. question will be what happens when a LB or CB times a fit perfectly? will he get up. But of all the CB on the board you got one of the biggest upside gambles on the board. for now put him on big lumbering WR and TE. in a year or two who knows Well he's bigger and 4 inches taller than sproles, darren never had a problem of getting up after getting hit by an LB or CB, don't think that needs to be worried about

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